Without a shadow of a doubt! Thanks for the tip to lift the trophy too...unless you're one of those tipsters who's like the kiss of death!

I think judging by the first few rounds of Super League, that would be the safe bet. If someone offered me money right now to predict the winner of the Grand Final, I'd go with Wigan too (assuming all the odds were the same).

Leeds will be back, Wire look a very classy side and Saints since the Hull game have put the sh*ts up me with how comfortably they've gone about their business.

I'd be suprised if the winner of the grand final doesn't come from Wigan or one of those 3 but you just never know.

Huddersfield, Hull and yourselves will also feel they've got a chance.

That's just arrogance through and through.

Well after four straight wins for the cherry and whites it seems that many of their fans on their board are hailing this as a return to the glory years. Apparently we might as well not turn up on Friday given that:











But this arrogance isn't just confined to Friday's game. The whole SL is being dismissed by some of these fekkwits:

























Clearly it's as if the 1980s and 90s have returned after barely 4 games!

And who could deny that given that Wigan have WORLD CLASS in their ranks like the following players who are being lumped in with the likes of Inglis, Smith, Slater etc!

















You can tell they're rolling back the clock when you read the following posts, after only 4 league wins what happens if they make it to five?

As much as they do look good, judging from those posts quoted by Bullseye, some of their fans are setting themselves up for a BIG fall!

I was simply discussing how would people rate a 'world class' player. I said a system I would probably go off if pushed would be if a player was one of the top 10 players in his position in the world.

I then went on to say going off that system alone we had Richards, S Tomkins and O'Loughlin that would fall into that catogary and Bradford would have Matt Orford.

All totally fair going simply off that system.

The fact is the term world class is totally over used and hardly any teams in superleague contain truely word class players.

Their board is always worth a read for a chuckle, whether they are doing badly or well, I always get the impression it's full of excitable kids who get way too carried away whatever is going on.

It's strange because I used to work with a lot of Wigan fans in Manchester, and as a group they were amongst the most balanced, knowledgeable and realistic fans you're likely to meet. The couple I am still in touch with are both optimistic about their prospects, but nowhere near the levels seen on cherry and white.

Thanksfully the posters on C+W are not representative of the fanbase as a whole. I think RLFans attracts the most extreme thinkers. Talk about asking to be laughed at.

People read a few comments amoungst the excited kids(as you point out) and then conveniently miss out the fact 95% of people on there are saying we shouldn't go over the top.

Every club given a start to the season like we've had would have an element of fans that would go overboard with excitment. The fact of the matter is we're 4 games in and everything could well go ti*s up starting on Friday.

What system? Your "system" simply involves saying "he's in the top 10 players in his position in the world". How do you arrive at that opinion? Is it based on Test performances? Performances in finals? What? Or are you just saying it without really justifying it?

While Richards, Tompkins and O'Loughlin would walk into the Bulls team I'd be far less sure about calling them world class. Tompkins has done well over the last 6months of his playing career but he's entering his second season and has a lot to prove now he'll be a marked man. Richards hasn't ever been in danger of playing for Australia or I doubt he'd have stuck with Ireland (or the SL for that matter) so you can take it as read that there's a fair few better wingers around than him. As for O'Loughlin, when was the last time he proved his class against top quality test opposition?

As for your pal saying Cameron Phelps and Amos Roberts are world class I think he needs to sober up

I wouldn't swap Langley for O'Loughlin either.