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| I wish that was the case and if we had been 'saved' sooner then perhaps the 6 points is a fair punishment. As it stands however we are practically in liquidation due to many many years of overspending and only surviving at all due to the goodwill of the staff and the actions of the other RL clubs.
Unfortunately 6 points is this season's 'punishment' only and unless things dramatically change very soon, we will have to rebuild in the Championship.
It will be sickening to lose some of our best players (particularly the local talent that we have produced) but I have no doubt that if the majority of the core fan base sticks with the club then we will be back near the top of Super League within the next 10 years.
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| Quote: Stul "Thank you for reminding us that almost all fans of other clubs can be perfectly normal.
I just can't fathom why they would go to all of this trouble to leave us as a Championship club - with the reduced rent for Odsal that would surely follow (I'm not saying they shouldn't - I just don't see why they would).'"
By doing this they have control of how far you drop, if nobody is interested in buying the club outside SL and you drop to Championship 1 ( playing Hemel,Northampton,Skolars ) next year potentially held together with some form of supporters trust, you could easily disapear completely, and I doubt you would be able to afford any rent at all for odsal .
However if your newco owners are SLE/RFL, they can put you in the Championship playing small but recognised names such as Leigh,Fev,Barrow,Batley, even potentially Halifax ( if Toulouse get the nod to replace you ) , this would help to retain a sizeable portion of your fan base ( they hope ) and allow you to ' tread water ' until a buyer is found and probably allow you to pay a reduced but still significant rent to keep RL at Odsal, in theory they could take a loan out for the lease purchase and charge you the interest
They cannot finance you as a SL club, it would be a massive conflict of interest
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| Quote: NormanNorman "I wish that was the case and if we had been 'saved' sooner then perhaps the 6 points is a fair punishment. As it stands however we are practically in liquidation due to many many years of overspending and only surviving at all due to the goodwill of the staff and the actions of the other RL clubs.
Unfortunately 6 points is this season's 'punishment' only and unless things dramatically change very soon, we will have to rebuild in the Championship.
It will be sickening to lose some of our best players (particularly the local talent that we have produced) but I have no doubt that if the majority of the core fan base sticks with the club then we will be back near the top of Super League within the next 10 years.
NormanNorman'"
Though this thread was for highjacked for a while by some numpties it was building some positive ideas for the future but the key now is for quick actions otherwise its not just a question of which league we play in, but if there is to be a team representing Bradford in any of the leagues in the coming years. The sooner you apply a bandage to an injury the better to stop further bleeding - in our case of players, staff and fans
PS - Have you joined Bullbuilder yet?
PPS - I am not on commision, but even if I was it would go straight into the hardship fund
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| What does the future hold? I don't know. The SLE buys us some time, not a lot. The people in the know seem to think we will lose players when the new company exists, maybe we will. Maybe we do have to rebuild and if so we will do it again. The important thing is we have a club to rebuild, but something has to happen quickly. How can we rebuild if we don't know which league we will be in and therefore what the budget will be.
But there must surely be a plan because if we go into liquidation how does SLE/RFL get its money back?
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| Quote: BeechwoodBull "What does the future hold? I don't know. The SLE buys us some time, not a lot. The people in the know seem to think we will lose players when the new company exists, maybe we will. Maybe we do have to rebuild and if so we will do it again. The important thing is we have a club to rebuild, but something has to happen quickly. How can we rebuild if we don't know which league we will be in and therefore what the budget will be.
But there must surely be a plan because if we go into liquidation how does SLE/RFL get its money back?'"
It doesnt
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| Which is precisely why there has to be a plan.
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| Quote: BeechwoodBull "Which is precisely why there has to be a plan.'"
The plan is what I posted earlier, you are essentially a Championship club now even if somebody very rich offers to buy you with no guarantees in the next couple of weeks
The RFL will already be looking for your replacements, as they will need to give that club as much time as possible to prepare
Welcome to the ' Doldrums '
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| Is anyone prepared to act as a figurehead for a newco? I'd suggest Simon Foster if he is willing-- one of the first occasions when I agree with Stevo.
Some possibilities follow-- I'm sure I'll be shouted down and I don't pretend to have all the answers. But at least please base your criticism on your reading of the past
If the council can provide a meeting place-- St Georges would have some historical resonance-- a meeting should be called involving Bullbuilder (who could recruit new members at the meeting), a spokesman for the League and anyone from the bids who was prepared to put their heads over the parapets. The others rumoured to have expressed interest (Tordoff, Greenwoods ?)could have an open invite from the council publicised by the T & A.
Let's talk and decide a Plan A (trying to stay in Superleague) and plan B (being in the Championship). Some think the latter is already decided , others hope that the other clubs want to sustain our membership. We simply don't know-- it's speculation however informed. So let's be flexible and plan for either.
There should be no expectatrion that the centre can give any financial assistance (they've given enough already) but the assistance in terms of advice they offer all clubs will be available.
We have a public offer of £50k from the departed leader of the ABC bid-- I believe that was made in good faith. If it wasn't then the bad publicity which would result from a withdrawal of the offer is not worth contemplating for a local businessman. Other local firms should be "persuaded" to make similar contributions to a Fighting Fund.
Whatever the misgivings of some I believe individual fans (and many from the broader RL community) would pledge (not pay until we have a possible deal) into that Fund
If we have a trusted figurehead, the League could reveal to him/her what the true financial position is. For myself, if for example Simon Foster told me the broad picture, I would trust that message
I honestly believe that Bullbuilder could offer a vehicle for the fans to be involved in future ownership.Not a pure supporters trust model but some kind of hybrid.
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| OOPS --" But at least please base your criticism on your reading of the past "
should be
But at least please DO NOT base your criticism on your reading of the past.
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| Quote: Bulliac "No one actually objects to your opinions, it's just the place you air them. If you have a problem with decisions made by SLE or the RFL they have perfectly good websites with the option of contacting them. Have you not considered that as your first option, rather than bothering us, who I really shouldn't need to remind you, have NOTHING TO DO WITH THESE DECISIONS'
Please don't reply, as you are now on 'ignore'.'"
It’s not me that needs to contact the RLF/SLE; it’s your supporters that should be objecting to such a deal!!
All the right/morally minded Bulls supporters should not allow this to happen, raise a petition of objection, tell SLE you will not turn up to watch a SLE owned club that has the potential to destroy our game by setting a precedent that can never be followed with any other club.
It’s in your hands, and if it goes ahead and you accept it then you are all as bad as the RFL/SLE.
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| Quote: FONT "It’s not me that needs to contact the RLF/SLE; it’s your supporters that should be objecting to such a deal!!
All the right/morally minded Bulls supporters should not allow this to happen, raise a petition of objection, tell SLE you will not turn up to watch a SLE owned club that has the potential to destroy our game by setting a precedent that can never be followed with any other club.
It’s in your hands, and if it goes ahead and you accept it then you are all as bad as the RFL/SLE.'"
Not allow what to happen? , somebody bid to buy a company?
Its not in their hands, it never has been
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| Seems the "Future" has been relegated - are we all content just to see what happens?
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| Quote: Northernrelic "Seems the "Future" has been relegated - are we all content just to see what happens?'"
unless you have a spare £1.5m+ under your matress at home or know somebody who does then yes you will have to wait and see what happens. The RFL are in the driving seat now so it depends on what their plans are.
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| Quote: FONT "It’s in your hands, and if it goes ahead and you accept it then you are all as bad as the RFL/SLE.'"
Like you I have been amazed about just how in our hands this whole affair has been. My hands are so full I'm struggling to grip.
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| Quote: FONT "It’s not me that needs to contact the RLF/SLE; it’s your supporters that should be objecting to such a deal!!
All the right/morally minded Bulls supporters should not allow this to happen, raise a petition of objection, tell SLE you will not turn up to watch a SLE owned club that has the potential to destroy our game by setting a precedent that can never be followed with any other club.
It’s in your hands, and if it goes ahead and you accept it then you are all as bad as the RFL/SLE.'"
Until this post i gave you the benefit of the considerable doubt, but frankly you cannot possibly seriously believe this stuff? You make no sense, and sound like you're on drugs. Listen, the proposed deal is a proposal unanimously agreed upon BY EVERY CLUB AND THE RFL. That includes whatever club YOU support.
So how many signatures have you got on your petition of objection, telling SLE you will not turn up to watch a SLE owned club that has the potential to destroy our game by setting a precedent that can never be followed with any other club?
It’s in your hands every bit as much as it is in our hands, and if it goes ahead and you accept it then you are "as bad as the RFL/SLE". Though I await with unbearable expectation you revealing to the world what your alternative is.
Whatever your aims, you seem to be doing feck all about it, and so posting on here whingeing about your half-baked theories is either trolling, or as much as makes no difference, and is certainly utterly pointless as even my goldfish would know that in fact the fans you berate have as much power to stop the SLE acquisition as it has, even if we were made enough to accept your basic premise, which in fact is bollox. You ought to read the SLE press releases and understand what it is they are actually doing before spouting any more drivel..
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