no mention of a replacement so presumably a full salary saving, unless this opens the opportunity for Evans to come back. We could cope with one half-back going, and if Gale being made vice captain is any indication of how hes been training, Sammut would perhaps be the better option financially and team wise. Carvell is the one I least want to leave but fear the most will. But whatever gets us to 12th is fine by me.

Of course tg will count this as one of his five, though its surprising he didnt say in his "5 leaving" post only yesterday that it would be announced today that Winterstein was leaving. But hey, we all knew this was brewing, because thats what happens to Aussies who stay at home injured, tho credit to Frank for not whinging unlike certain predecessors.

He's no loss , if he wasn't good enough for the unwashed at wakey then union is his only option

Given the circumstances from both sides this seems perfectly sensible and probably genuniely does suit both parties to be honest. We've clearly got to let some people go so an injured overseas squad player to union down under is not bad tbf.

There are other players and positions whos departure would hurt us more.

Jamie Foster just tweeted that he is not going,

Good. Our squad is small enough already. Good luck to Winterstein and I can't blame him for leaving.

This. Plenty of cover in 2nd row so a sensible way to reduce wages.

I reckon if you are looking to fill any gaps in the pack cheaply, there will be some good loan deals available during the season.

Certainly at Saints we have many players in the pack, but not all will get a look in. So there maybe some players looking to play fulltime elsewhere to keep themselves in the shop window.

Depends on how Brown rotates them but even with rotation there are some people who got debuts last year who will struggle to get a look in this year.

But if it's a money saving idea, better probably to bring no one in.

What's this...Vinnies last stand on rlfans. I assume you've been barred from all other sub forums so you've appeared here. Why don't you just get another email addresses than you can re-register under another username ( your 5th in as many years at a guess).

No need to recruit any more second rowers, this just gives Roberts and Mellor the chance to cement a place in the 17.

No loss to you. Hasn't got the work rate to be a decent player. Bags full of potential. He's massive and can run good lines but most of the time didn't want to at Widnes.

Can think of a few players like that, could have been another Karl pryce.

Play nice please.

You know what I'm on about mr coffee throwing no show!

Take it elsewhere boys.