Because Cummins and LSH doesn't look strong enough. Good blokes I'm sure but the concerns raised by Isaac, Tigs and others about FC not being tough enough aren't eased in any way by the presence of LSH and Barrow.

I wouldn't go so far as to say 'it can only work' if said are replaced but it's a fair concern in the circumstances.

Despite stating he'd like to be a head coach has he ever been rumoured/mentioned in the same breath as a vacancy despite being made redundant?

I'm not saying he's good, bad or indifferent. Just that the attitude towards him within the game is ambivalent.

Where's Cummins said stuff about players he doesn't rate? Got a link? I presume you mean Sykes and Platt? Seems Platt has worked his way back in the reckoning going by the T&A piece last week. I think Wakey will do a deal to get Sykes.

Langley's had a good season for us I reckon. Scruton's had an awful time with illness and injury, not sure if his career is over, I guess we'll find out as he's still under contract.

Are we re-signing Walker? If we do it shows that we are a bit desperate.

This is the 21st century. Being tough doesn't mean being able to chin the players - it means being ruthless, determined and prepared to make tough decision.

I haven't heard enough of FC to make that judgement on him, but you can be certain that size and demeanour are no longer an indicator of the type of toughness required.

Can anyone name any ex-wingers that became top coaches?

There's Wayne Bennett but then I'm struggling to think of any.

Wasn't Kear a winger?

Of course he was!

To be fair, the last few games of the season he was excellent.

Agreed, and with Sibbit and Elima leaving I think we still need a bit of experience to pass onto Bateman, Olby, Whitehead.

Alright he's no Elima or Menzies but when fit he can do a decent job and I doubt he's on big money.

Walker had a few good games early on in the season but I thought his second spell was poor - though coming back from injury probably had something to do with it. If he's kept on it'll be for his experience I expect, injuries have taken their toll on him.

David Plange...

....I said top coaches



If you include anyone then Les Kiss was another.