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Quote: martinwildbull "Already understood in that previous post that the £280k was a bit of a red herring by my agreement with £200k as a starting point, and hopefully I have managed a bit of a different tone with a family member ie purely factual rather than with scurrilous embellishments on user names. The only attitude i have is for facts (admitedly whoever is posting) but more importantly, against otherworldly trolls that think they are telling us news. reminds me of the definition of a consultant
The answer for Bradford?
Stop thinking you're a top 4 team...accept mid table competitiveness and get the "community feel" back to your club. Tempting people with cheap tickets is a race to the bottom.....deliver a product on and off the field that the entire family want to be associated with. Make Sunday at 3pm Bull Time....family's should plan their Sunday Lunch around the Bradford Bull at Home.... maybe do a Bulls version of come dine with me where rabid bulls fan family's take it turn to host each other....get it going on-line, in the programme etc...
Make an Event of EVERY home game...once the fixtures are out, plan 13 themed events and publicise them well....send every local school/club a book of 500 tickets telling them they can keep half the revenue from sales.....carry out CRM surveys on what people liked about their visit to your ground and what could do with improving.
On the Park, invest what you can afford.....if you rob peter to pay paul, you end up with your hand out AGAIN!

begging/bribing fans to come to games ain't a good look and in the end, it ultimately fails. If you want fan loyalty, then you have to earn it!

I resent being referred to as a troll.....I want all 14 teams and the clubs below to do well and makes my blood boil when I see the clusterf**king going on icon_frustrated.gif

Good luck for 2014,

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The worst aspect of mystic eddie's attitude is that he despises and denigrates precisely those persistent fans who are actually keeping the club aliveLuckily for the club, we seem to have an extraordinary amount of gullible followers who will be spoon-fed by the "PR" and sign up for another season.'"


See? If I was not so "gullible", if like ME and others I could just "see the truth", then I would NOT sign up for another season, nobody would, we would have an attendance of Zero, and everything would then be great.

ME, we are not "gullible", we just love our team and we just love going to watch our team. And for most of us, that's how it always was, and always will be, unless people like you get their way, and everyone jumps ship, and the club dies. Your persistent denigration of dedicated Bulls supporters does you no credit.

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Quote: gutterfax "I resent being referred to as a troll.....I want all 14 teams and the clubs below to do well and makes my blood boil when I see the clusterf**king going on I think it doesn't help when posters - not just yourself but in general - seem to only make comment and pass judgement when it's a negative story.

You should read the comments on our local paper the Telegraph and Argus, there are plenty on there ready to swoop in and tell us how we are when things go even a little bit wrong. Of course this happens at every club but you must see why this sudden and explosive interest in this story (and other previous "bad news" stories) could be deemed trolling?

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Quote: daveyz999 "Been looking at this thread for a couple of days.

At first I thought that Gutterfax was just trolling, but after reading some of his arguments, I'm starting to feel that his reasoning includes some thought.

The timing of the new 'pledge' and the deadline the club has created for itself makes me a little nervous. The money that the 1000 fans raise over the next week will be around £280k, this being pretty close to the monthly wage bill.

I would like to think that every move the club makes is an exciting new venture allowing fans to engage with their club, but I'm getting a repetitive impression that each move the club makes is done with the intention of surviving for 1 more month.

I'm concerned that these 'oversights' by the accounts department and Ryan are becoming a little regular, and the fact that the club refused to make a statement regarding last months wages makes me think there was a little more to that story.

Wasn't there Sunday (looks like I tore my ACL on Sat), but can anyone confirm if the new pledge allows the fans to still use the 3 month payment option (and still be included into the 1000). If not, then I will be concerned as this would indicate the club is not interested in the amount of fans on the terraces next year, but the amount of cash that 1000 fans can contribute over a 7 day period.

I'm all for supporting the cause and that, but after last year (when fans we're lied to and told to throw their money into a magical pot) I find myself looking a little deeper into some decisions/announcements. Surely I'm not the only one a little concerned??'"

Regarding your question about using the payment plan.The answer is yes you can, I set up a plan earlier this week and paid the first £60 there and then and 2 payments of £60 will come out on direct debit (November and January I believe).Plus i also got my free away shirt that day as well.

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Red Amber and Black Fantasy Rugby League Champion 2012. By far the most sensible posts on this thread have come from mystic eddie. - copyright Ewwenorfolk 09.04.2013 Aye, and Eddie is hinting at it too. And, as we all know: Mystic Eddie has been right all along! - copyright vbfg 05.01.2017:Others/combustable.gif



Quote: Ferocious Aardvark "The worst aspect of mystic eddie's attitude is that he despises and denigrates precisely those persistent fans who are actually keeping the club alive

Nice selective quoting there FA. You did, of course, omit the final sentence of the paragraph,

Quote: Ferocious Aardvark "These fans deserve better than what they get.
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And indeed you do.

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Quote: bulldogbull "Regarding your question about using the payment plan.The answer is yes you can, I set up a plan earlier this week and paid the first £60 there and then and 2 payments of £60 will come out on direct debit (November and January I believe).Plus i also got my free away shirt that day as well.'"


Thanks for that, at least that's assured me a little.

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Red Amber and Black Fantasy Rugby League Champion 2012. By far the most sensible posts on this thread have come from mystic eddie. - copyright Ewwenorfolk 09.04.2013 Aye, and Eddie is hinting at it too. And, as we all know: Mystic Eddie has been right all along! - copyright vbfg 05.01.2017:Others/combustable.gif



Quote: bullinenemyland "Think there is someone else who needs a reality check on here.'"


Indeed you do.

Quote: bullinenemyland "I've read many a post from you this year and it seems to me that you are one of a few who really have a problem with the owners and appear determined to stick the knife in at any given opportunity.

I'm not entirely sure why... I have my own suspicions why but i'll leave them off this forum.'"


Come on then, share your suspicions. What do you not have the cojones to accuse me of?

Quote: bullinenemyland "The deal with the one hour sale was misguided but similar ploys happen in business all the time (I've booked tickets for shows only to see them slashed days later... just one of those things).

The sacking of the shop manager.... we don't know the full facts, Jay Willey.... we don't know the full facts, you get the message (or maybe you don't???)... YOU DON'T KNOW THE FACTS!!!'"


Correct. I do not know the facts. Just commenting on what was reported in the local media (in Gawthorpe-gate) but subsequwntly not denied by the club. In the case of Jay Willey, I did, of course, merely comment about her length of tenure, not the ins and outs of the case. We know the length of her service so it is indeed a fact.

Quote: bullinenemyland "Why is this "stick" deserved when you actually know very little about the true facts. You seem to know very little about the real world at all in fact.'"


Don't be so silly. What you know about me in order to enable you to make such a claim is curious. Like you say, stick to facts.

Quote: bullinenemyland "Ryan Whitcut has complained at the false speculation and bad press (yes something you've been very good at this last year) and has moved to put an end to this. He also says that his door is always open, something I've found out myself when I've been concerned by a few things. Its amazing what can happen when you ask. I wonder if you have given him or others an opportunity to put their own side forward before spouting what can only be described as unfounded and nauseating bile.'"


Ryan Whitcut would be better served getting his job done properly rather than spending time on social media. If he was not so distracted by what others had to say then he maybe would not forget to pay the bills.

Quote: bullinenemyland "I've said it before and i'll say it again... You're either a fan (and if you would like me to given you a definition, please don't hesitate to ask for one
Ok. What exactly is your definition of a fan?

PS, I see you ignored the "Inconvenient Truths" about the club I posted. Is this what a "real fan" does?

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Quote: mystic eddie "Nice selective quoting there FA. You did, of course, omit the final sentence of the paragraph,
Quote: mystic eddie "These fans deserve better than what they get.'"

And indeed you do.'"


No it is NOT selective quoting, it is specifically referring to the thing I specifically intended to object to.

But, you suggest that the extra bit you emphasize makes it somehow better. It doesn't. It makes it worse by adding "bloody patronising" to the mix. You are in no way mitigating your insult that all these fans are just "gullible folowers" who will sign up because they because 'believe all they are spoon fed'.

For your information, pronouncements by the board of Northern / Bulls have NEVER played any part in my decision to keep going to games and supporting my team, and never will. And before you start, I don't claim to be in any way some special case. I would bet the vast majority of diehard season ticket holders would say similar.

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Quote: martinwildbull "If you believe everything you read in the press, more fool you. Sorry, yes you are.

You said he had been bulling himself up, I asked you to show me where he himself said anything, you have come up with nothing.

Sutcliffe simply stated he was not a sugar daddy. That is not bulling him up, friend or not. it is clearly a statement of fact. It warns people that he does not have limitless funds of money and so things could get tricky in the future. and yet somehow you have turned that into Gerry worshipping Ok for putting billions into the club.

No, as I have to do that myself it is not usual to forget about tax bills. But I also refer to the fact that the court case was a dismissal of a case meaning settlement of the debt. I was not blaming football for the bulls going under owing £500k. What football, through raising a footballer who may already have several million pounds in the bank to the level of preferential creditor over and above HMRC and other creditors who may not have been paid for debts of a lot longer standing than the fall-over boys, have made sure that HMRC jump are oversensitive to sports clubs generally.

As previously stated, I was wise months ago, before all this, yes as OK has stated through Gerry, he is not going to solely fund the problems, so of course I am concerned. But nonetheless I prefer facts to nonsense.

and on that note, nothing from the gutter press yet.'"


Believe everything in the press? Who is doing that? Where did you read the quotes you attribute to Sutcliffe?

The simple fact that Khan has had his bag carriers making a great fuss over his investment in his own business. Are the reports of these people printed in the T&A not to be trusted?

Is only what the club puts out on it's website or through social media to be believed? So when Robbie Paul tried to gloss over the wages being unpaid as an administration error, he was being truthful?

When the club declined to announce it had been subject to a winding up petition by HMRC, it was being open & honest with fans?

No one forgets about tax bills. They ignore them because they haven't got the money to pay them. The club had spent what it should have put aside from income received. This is a business less than 12 months old & already it's governance & financial probity is in serious question.

You blamed football for the HMRC pursuing unpaid tax bills. I simply pointed out that the previous Bulls went under owing HMRC £500k & within just a few months the new incarnation has left HMRC waiting so long it issues proceedings.

Ryan Whitcut has claimed another administration error & claimed that the winding up order being made public is an attempt to destabilise the club. I'd say it was the club being exposed as being very badly run & those responsible trying to deflect the blame, wouldn't you?

The new regime at the Bulls is as rotten, more so with the political tie ups, as the old one that fleeced fans for £400k.

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Your crusade to save us is noble, and we the meek thank you for making us see the light. All the heathens will burn.

However, it still doesn't change the fact I like to go watch the rugby, and if it all crumbles down again then I'll go watch them play Rochdale or Keighley.

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Quote: BiffasBoys "
The simple fact that Khan has had his bag carriers making a great fuss over his investment in his own business. '"

Thie terms you use just prove that you are a disingenuous stirrer, with some axe to grind, since we al know that pouring your own money into a sports club, especially a rugby league club, is no kind of "investment", and running a SL club is not the kind of "business" that a businessman "invests" in in order to make himself a profit.

Quote: BiffasBoys "The new regime at the Bulls is as rotten, more so with the political tie ups, as the old one that fleeced fans for £400k.'"

"Rotten"? Explain your use of that word. It doesn't seem to relate to anything so far discussed. Why is it "rotten"?

"Political tie-ups"? What might they be, and in what way do they make the regime more "rotten"?

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Just to be a bit pedantic of something earlier in the thread, JCT600 also dropped City a few years ago. Perhaps the new Bulls regime got a record breaking sponsorship deal that was worth more with Provident. Perhaps JCT600 didn't drop us at all.

(I'll leave aside what Provident do, as that was done to death at the time)

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Quote: hindle xiii "Your crusade to save us is noble, and we the meek thank you for making us see the light. All the heathens will burn.

However, it still doesn't change the fact I like to go watch the rugby, and if it all crumbles down again then I'll go watch them play Rochdale or Keighley.'"


You're a big boy & can make your own decisions. I'm not looking to influence what any Bradford bulls fan does. This is about the clubs owner & those he has around him.

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Quote: Ferocious Aardvark "Thie terms you use just prove that you are a disingenuous stirrer, with some axe to grind, since we al know that pouring your own money into a sports club, especially a rugby league club, is no kind of "investment", and running a SL club is not the kind of "business" that a businessman "invests" in in order to make himself a profit.

"Rotten"? Explain your use of that word. It doesn't seem to relate to anything so far discussed. Why is it "rotten"?

"Political tie-ups"? What might they be, and in what way do they make the regime more "rotten"?'"


Disingenuous? I think I've been quite specific & to the point. Stirrer? For dealing in facts? Pointing out relationships between those running the club?

What axe to grind?

khan bought the assets at Odsal & has a 30 year sub lease on it from the RFL. The Bulls are just part of the equation at Odsal.

The assets have & will be used to make money. Who has the hospitality catering contract, for example?

Pop concert & Mela profits didn't go to the Bulls as they were run by a separate company that took the profit.

Sutcliffe's whines about not selling enough season tickets... trying to guilt trip fans into making sure Khan could avoid further investment than his purchase price.

You need to go into the offices at Odsal & see the pictures of Khan & Sutcliffe going back many years. Khan has funded his political career.

Whitcut is Khan's long time right hand yes man. he does & says what he's told to.

Bradford is a Labour council. Sutcliffe is the Labour MP for the constituency the club is in. His office manager is also a Bulls director. Former Bradford Labour leader Greenwood is also a director.

Bradford Labour council provides an unsecured £200k loan to OK Bulls.

Vipin Joshi is also a director. Check out the Bradford regeneration organisation Khan, Greenwood & joshi are linked to. Got millions of Bradford Council money & is under investigation.

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Quote: hindle xiii "Just to be a bit pedantic of something earlier in the thread, JCT600 also dropped City a few years ago. Perhaps the new Bulls regime got a record breaking sponsorship deal that was worth more with Provident. Perhaps JCT600 didn't drop us at all.

(I'll leave aside what Provident do, as that was done to death at the time)'"


Perhaps JCT600 saw City as better value for money & providing more of a profile? 2 Wembley's & a huge amount of TV coverage across all channels?

You only have the word of those at the Bulls that the Provident deal is record breaking. Perhaps they were 'Bulling Up' what they had got?

Why would a sponsor offer a record breaking deal to a club that had not seen the play offs since 2008?

Provident were lined up to sponsor the Challenge Cup, but they instead chose to offer record money to the Bulls?

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14:30
Leigh-Huddersfield
Thu 6th Mar
SL
20:00
Hull FC-Leigh
Fri 7th Mar
SL
20:00
Castleford-Salford
SL
20:00
St.Helens-Hull KR
Sat 8th Mar
SL
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SL
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Warrington-Wakefield
SL
17:30
Wigan-Huddersfield
Thu 20th Mar
SL
20:00
Salford-Huddersfield
Fri 21st Mar
SL
20:00
St.Helens-Warrington
This is an inplay table and live positions can change.
Mens Betfred Super League XXVIII ROUND : 1
 PLDFADIFFPTS
Wigan 29 768 338 430 48
Hull KR 29 731 344 387 44
Warrington 29 769 351 418 42
Leigh 29 580 442 138 33
Salford 28 556 561 -5 32
St.Helens 28 618 411 207 30
 
Catalans 27 475 427 48 30
Leeds 27 530 488 42 28
Huddersfield 27 468 658 -190 20
Castleford 27 425 735 -310 15
Hull FC 27 328 894 -566 6
LondonB 27 317 916 -599 6
This is an inplay table and live positions can change.
Betfred Championship 2024 ROUND : 1
 PLDFADIFFPTS
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Toulouse 26 765 388 377 37
Bradford 28 723 420 303 36
York 29 695 501 194 32
Widnes 27 561 502 59 29
Featherstone 27 634 525 109 28
 
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Doncaster 26 498 619 -121 25
Halifax 26 509 650 -141 22
Batley 26 422 591 -169 22
Swinton 28 484 676 -192 20
Barrow 25 442 720 -278 19
Whitehaven 25 437 826 -389 18
Dewsbury 27 348 879 -531 4
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