The problem is that we don't seem to try against the top teams. What they don't seem to realise is that as well as the two points on offer it is just as important to put up a good display to get crowds paying at the gate.

I get the fact the game was lost and we needed to 'save' some players for next week eg Diskin...

.... But that does not forgive the appalling lack of commitment, the non existent defence, the stupid mistakes, the non sensical options we took, the lack of the basic ability to run onto a ball hard and fast, the ability to even make a basic pass, the fact we let teams boss us around, the fact we get dominated in every tackle, the fact we have no leader on the paddock, the fact we have no genuine hard men, the fact we have no structure....

Could go on but I am only winding myself up further!'

Life is never dull as a Bulls fan is it!

It'll be interesting to see whether any further recruits come in this week. Only Fakir has been brought in on a permanent deal so far. Are there still no players available? Are we struggling to convince players to join us? Or perhaps the club is also quietly awaiting the outcome of the appeal before committing to further signings?

The score looks exceedingly bad, but is not a fair reflection of the game. A fair scoreline might have been around 10 - 36. had O'brien managed to score when he was somehow pulled back in the act of scoring, I don't think I'd be far out.

Gale is our class at half back and put simply, without Gale we had no direction and no organisation. Addy had a pretty mediocre game all round, maybe it was too much pressure on him, but anyone who couldn't see how we missed Gale must be blind.

In the first half we were right in the game for the majority of the half, and conceding the last minute try was what killed the game off. That was on the back of yet another schoolboy howler. I do know that I go on and on about schoolboy howlers, although I'm not at all sure what you can do to stop the players coming up with them season on season, but the biggest factor in the size of the scoreline was schoolboy howlers. We just can't help ourselves, and we thus give up good field poistion with monotonous regularity, and award the opposition maybe 6 or 7 sets of six which we have to defend, and especially against a decent team, this is just too much of a handicap. Amongst today's many gems:
* failing to find touch with a penalty;
* kicking the kick-off out on the full;
* no acting half back to pick up a play-the-ball;
* coughing up the ball on the first tackle (more than once);
* dropping the ball in cold blood under no pressure from a Saints drop-out

Sadly I could go on.

For too long we have had second rate coaches. Don't get me wrong both Potter and Cummins are admirable people. They have kept going when others would have given up and nobody could have blamed them. But they are not class acts when it comes to coaching.

But it's OK we have St Hilaire as our defensive coach so we will be alright... Our defensive line speed was amazing today!

Our defence has been appalling for 3 seasons now with no signs of improvement - if the opposing team can't score they can't win - defence wins games!!!

Mr St Hilaire, I think taking a leaf out of Captain Oates' book would not go amiss for you after today's defensive 'effort'

Since when did Hilaire become our dedicated defence coach? Or is it just a myth that goes around when we're looking to pin the blame on somebody?

Not sure what he does but I am opened to suggestions> after performances today not sure what any of the coaches do.

Whether he is or isn't is a moot point, but I guess both he and FC have to take some if not all responsibility for the points mentioned in lots of posts above.

It is a fine line between blaming the players or the coaching team for such an abject performance .... Maybe we need a root and branch review?

Does nobody want to look at their trunks?

Not really ... But we could be only a few losses away from the 'leaves'

Would love to know how we scored our 2 tries. We didn't look like scoring with one out rugby all game.

Gale class? Really? Could have sworn we were getting tonked this season with him in side. I haven't seen him do anything classy this season.

He's certainly better than Addy. Can Brook do any worse? He's been doing great in academy. Being able to pass would make him a better option than Addy. Cummins doesn't seem to want to give young players ago, hence him constantly putting wingers on bench and bringing our young SR on with 3 mins left.

You've said that twice now, but I think you'll find that Mellor did a stint (albeit a brief one) in the 1st half.

The subs were obviously a case 'whoever is vaguely fit goes on the bench' - neither Walker or George were fit to be there by all accounts, I assume they were 'fitter' than Manu though.

None of that excuses the poor line speed, slack defence or clueless attacking with ball in hand - but we are clearly down to the barest of bare bones.

And still we hear nothing from Marc Green. Presumably he is hoping we will be give 20 points from the appeal.

You looked a tired team to me. You looked knackered after we scored our second try.