Have already e-mailed the relevant people referance this subject and others, hopeing for a reply but who knows

You haven't really TBH RER.

My apologies if I made you feel that you'd been dragged into this particular melee RER. It certainly wasn't my intention and I didn't realise it could be read that way - having reread, I appreciate that it could be.



Hells teeth.

What are the board waiting for.

The bloke is still here. Have they forgotten what they need to do?

And that is your classic rlknee-jerkrl. Not so much in the time taken, rather the thought process evident. Team = 13th therefore coach = sack, much like blow to the knee = jerk of the lower leg.

Dont know how you have come to that conclusion really.

There has been a gradual decline under the tenure of SM.

We have a squad with much more potential than it is showing. Most of the players arent bad players but they are playing like bad players at the moment. To me this says more about the coach than anyone else.

Probably the most worrying thing about all this is that the fans seem to be leaving in their droves. Granted this is not all down to SM but im sure watching a winning team wouldnt do any harm at all. Say what you like about glory hunters etc, people dont want to see teams who lose every week.

So I dont want to sound dramatic but yes it seems that SM could be damaging the club long term.

Obviously he doesnt mean to be a poor coach and I appreciate that they are trying to turn it around but how many more times can you take "I will turn it around" etc etc only to see it not happening on the pitch.

I was prepared to give him the benefit of the doubt, I was sticking by him long after others had turned. Only a few weeks ago I cringed when I read the posts of people like Mystic Eddie.

But I dont believe he can now recover this position. This season is a write off, and we might as well start planning for next season now imo. We need someone with the motivational skills to drag us out of the hole. A fresh start.

I still don’t buy in to the “it’s all SM’s fault”.
I think the decline started before he was placed in charge. He has had to arrest that decline and try and stabilise the club (not on his own obviously), then begin to implement things to start the rebuilding process. This isn’t going to happen in a matter of weeks or months, it will be a number of years.
On this seasons performances, yes you would have liked to think we’d be going a little better. However, we are struggling for bodies; I know that is wheeled out too often as an excuse, but look at what’s been sat on the sidelines this season. Many of the top players have had spells out. I like to see how any business reacts to having a large percentage of its top earners sat in the canteen.

Not to worry. You have finally seen the light.

And you never will.

It's got to the stage where everyday it's the same argument. Some people will back McNarama no matter what and others want him out.

The only thing i'd say is that the camp for wanting him out is growing and has recruited some of the more respected posters.

As long as Solomona paid for his food I would be delighted.

I'd rather prioritise long-term concerns than get hung up on the ten minutes before the game and at half-time. And that's where the knee-jerk criticism is valid. The failure of the Sack Mac contingent is to fully consider the whole picture. They want things sorted and they want it yesterday.

I'm still at a loss to now precisely what rebuilding means in this context. Do we have to knock everything down first, because this seems to be what is happening? Much like all this positive tendency/negative tendency - what's negative about wanting a first team that plays with pride, consistently and performs somewhere near their potential, and how exactly is it positive to hold the 'nothing can be done' (because of finances/rebuilding etc) position as crowds and league position decline.

We all know that without a financial backer with clout and a notoriously precarious walk up audience things can slide quickly. What impact do you think a second half of the season that is anywhere near the first half will have on season ticket sales, and how exactly will that be offset by some fictional rebuilding, particularly when the coach admits he doesn't know how to get the best from the players he has?

I am considering the whole picture...

2 Seasons Ago...average

Last Year...average

This season...way below average

Recruitment...in the main poor

Attendances...down

What else should I considering?

I mean I havent got access to backroom etc so all I can really go on is results and performances and what I see and Im not liking what I see.

You obviously want SM to stay, fair enough I thought the same 2 weeks ago but there has to come a time when you draw the line.

How many years should we give him?

Average? 2007? - finished a close 3rd - winning only 3 points less than the unbeaten Saints? That's "average"? Er, I don't think so. How quickly some memories fade!



In connection with that, and the question about what constitutes rebuilding, we have been blessed with a fine dynasty in SL but here's the 2005 Final squad:-

Michael Withers - GONE
Leon Pryce - GONE
Ben Harris - GONE
Shontayne Hape - GONE
Lesley Vainikolo - GONE
Iestyn Harris - GONE
Paul Deacon
Jamie Peacock - GONE
Ian Henderson - GONE
Stuart Fielden - GONE
Paul Johnson - GONE
Brad Meyers - GONE
Lee Radford - GONE

Robbie Paul - GONE
Jamie Langley
Adrian Morley - GONE
Joe Vagana - GONE

I'd just make the point, which I've made before, and no doubt will have to make again, that if you almost completely dismantle a title winning side, it's the end of an era. You need to deal with this fact.

Now, if you then go on and argue why didn't we scour the globe and buy up another title-winning squad, I'd just tell you life ain't like that. You can't buy a title. You could of course point out that all the other teams, bar Leeds, also failed to construct a team to win the title, or even challenge Leeds/Saints' current hegemony - but that would be too realistic.

You could ask, why, given that pretty much the entire title winning squad is gone, didn't McNamara just go out and replace them all, man for man, with an equally title-winning squad. I'd say anyone who thinks, or thought, that Bradford had some god-given right to always win everything, or perennially keep challenging for 1-2, was either a child or a lunatic. But that's the reason we aren't a top team any more- it's a 95% different team, and that's how it goes.

The squad we do now have should, of course, have done much better in terms of results, in terms of some games and in terms of parts of other games, but recruitment, which "in the main" has brought in players of the calibre of Morrison, Menzies, Tadulala, Worrincy, Lynch etc. may be alot of things but "poor" is just silly.

Why the squad we have got has spluttered and underachieved this year as it has is a good and valid question, but you won't be helped in looking for the answer if you overlook the facts or ignore the obvious.