So for next year, I do not care what else is going on off pitch, but what I really want is a squad that has been selected more than five minutes before the start of the season, if loan players then for the season not just 10 seconds, has a preseason, has a core of home growns, and big ask maybe, but has a reserves side within which the homegrowns can develop at a pace that suits them not the needs of the first team.

In other words, what every other team in rugby league have enjoyed this season (see statisticians thread Dilligaf post for a summary of our season)

On the contrary, I would say they invested too much to win lost games. If I have one criticism of Chalo it is the KR game when the player they spent a £10k fee on got crocked for the rest of the season. My criticism is that they should have rested every single player that had any minor ailment, or had just joined us and therefore not up to gamespeed, etc etc and looked to the games that could be won.

So yes, I would say that the RFL, for their own benefit not ours, have seemed to do us favours, but the net cost of what you claim to be the RFL's magnanimity has definitely been overwhelmingly ours, not the RFL.

Good luck with your senility, keep off this forum.

Yep and how many of those were season ticket holders who went because it was already paid for.
Next seasons crowd numbers will be interesting. I cant see us selling many season tickets, but there will be the novelty factor of watching us actually win some games.

Things that would get the crowds back next season:

1. Owners start to communicate meaningfully.
2. Make some proper permanent signings and no more loans/dual reg.
3. Some good news regarding Odsal development.
4. Winning more than losing.

If that's the case, then why not just come out and say that?

I can take a couple of years of grubbing around the lower levels, if there is a clearly defined plan that has been communicated to the long suffering supporters. What I can't be doing with anymore is the constant smoke and mirrors, the rumours about what the RFL are planning, the endless stream of know-alls who spoke to this or that person and so on. I'm just tired and burned from that stuff...

Give me a vision to believe in and I'm on board. But continue the way that things have been handled for the last year, and I just can't do it anymore. Sorry...

To be fair if we see something positive from the owners I will buy a season ticket again to put some money into the club... every little helps and all that.

The 2017 debacle isn't really anyone at the clubs fault, its down to massive mismanagement in the past (Green) and the stupid RFL -12 Championship stipulation.

I personally think we should have rebranded as was suggested to draw a line under the past and move on.

Let the FAX, Wakey and Shuddersfield fans lap it up now as I believe we will be back to bite them on the ar$e.

It's a crunch period for supporters too. If the owners handle this right they could go into 2018 quite optimistically. Handled badly and we'll see crowds/season ticket holders drop below 1k.

I want to come back and get behind the first team. I don't want to feel like I'm taken for granted and have got used to doing other things on a Sunday. I suspect I'm not alone. I've had enough of deals behind closed doors. I understand things not being announced until they're signed and sealed but then don't go around telling every Tom, Dick and Harry about it informally then. That only pi55es people off and potentially raises false hopes.

I hope that if there is a re-structure we're not dropped in it at the last minute and end up as cannon fodder again. I'd much rather us know where we are even if it's C1. At least then we can build a side to get out of there.

Ive loved our games against Bradford over the years and hope you are right and Bradford do become competitive again but I honestly believe you are done as any sort of force in RL. With the stadium restrictions you are right behind the 8 ball when compared to most other championship teams. Fax is actually a good example of a team living month to month and just getting by while been severely restricted by the stadium we play in(luckily for us its a pretty nice stadium). We have managed to get the hang of just about living within our means and still been able to put a competitive squad on the field, luckily our commercial side is still pretty good and that brings a lot of money in.

Its tough to get back once the freefall begins which is what happened to Fax but there is the hope that if we can do it then its not beyond the realms of possibility that Bradford could do it too. Actually getting out of the yearly mediocrity and stability brings a whole set of new problems when you actually get there.

I'm not distressed about being in Champ1, just damned annoyed that we weren't in that division THIS season, which is where we should have been under RFL rules, as I understand it. We've just wasted a year watching a club with no chance of winning anything. I've little faith in the owners and maybe even less in the coach, but I'll be back next season as I wouldn't know what else to do.

Without a multi-millionaire owner willing to drop cash into a black hole (such as Leigh or London) I can't see how any team can compete to gain promotion to SL, (where of course you get given over a million and a half pounds just for being there).

Its good to hear you say Fax are bringing the money in, but wasn't there rumours of huge cuts throughout the club just a couple of weeks ago if they had not made the top 4? I mean, that sounds like the sort of thing Bradford would do; spend beyond their means to achieve something, and then miss it completely and have to 'cut their cloth accordingly'

Indeed. Had Fax finished 5th it'd be a different story. I bet Batley will be cutting their cloth since they finished outside the top 4 now.

3) Good news about stadium development - should take care of that concern.

A finances question - I assume we are renting out part of the car park to that construction company - Irvines is it? Their equipment is all over the place.

And also we seem to be renting out the stadium to a film production company at the moment.

And next year we will actually have some sponsorship cash I think.