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Quote: W.BowlingBull "if he gets to play at 7 next year, and I cant see anyone who will stop him, I would like to see how he goes with a more dominant set of forwards with the signings of Carvell and Ferguson and partnering Gaskell.and putting Sammut in at hooker where he can probably play off the cuff a bit more zipping about out of dummy half.'"


Fingers crossed, looking forward to seeing Gaskell, I also like the idea of Sammut having a little more freedom to do what he does best.


Quote: W.BowlingBull "Are you sure you weren`t reading the Beano? What about Brough?'"


The only way he should be 2nd from the top is if the form guide was upside down.

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Quote: ifallwerelikemumby "Are you sure you weren`t reading the Beano? What about Brough?'"

Brough... what about him? I thought we were discussing scrum halves? But since you mention him, he was the form stand off for the rounds in question.

I see Gale picked up the Bulls foundation player of the year just now too.

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Quote: Bully_Boxer "Brough... what about him? I thought we were discussing scrum halves? But since you mention him, he was the form stand off for the rounds in question.

I see Gale picked up the Bulls foundation player of the year just now too.'"

In your original post you stated Gale was second to Chase in Half backs. Talking of Scrum Halves its only my opinion but Gale is Behind Dobson, Smith, Soward even the young kid on loan at Saints from Warrington on present form. I thought when we signed him he was just what we needed but his form lately is on a par with Herbert.

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Quote: ifallwerelikemumby "In your original post you stated Gale was second to Chase in Half backs. Talking of Scrum Halves its only my opinion but Gale is Behind Dobson, Smith, Soward even the young kid on loan at Saints from Warrington on present form. I thought when we signed him he was just what we needed but his form lately is on a par with Herbert.'"

I assumed it would be obvious that a form team would have both a 6 and a 7! icon_rolleyes.gif

And you're entitled to your opinion but according to that magazine he was the 2nd best 7 in the league during the rounds covered. I'm prepared to cut him a little bit of slack for it not being a vintage year for him, perhaps he had other distractions.

There aren't a huge amount of quality 7's around and for a club in our position right now I don't think it's an immediate area of weakness.

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Maybe the magazine reporters actually watch him play, and base their opinion on that.

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[iRLW[/i uses Opta for it's Team of the Month ratings.

However, that particular team of the month may only cover the two SL rounds played in July, which in our case was Wigan away and Hull FC at home. It may include the two Challenge Cup rounds, however this is irrelevant as far as we're concerned.

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... I won't even go into the confusing part that the current issue of [iRLW[/i is September which came out on the first Friday of August and covers things from July.

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Quote: Bully_Boxer "There aren't a huge amount of quality 7's around and for a club in our position right now I don't think it's an immediate area of weakness.'"

What do you think is an immediate area of weakness?

I'd probably say centre.

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Quote: Ferocious Aardvark "You can use statistics to try to make any point, but they never tell the full story. However I could hardly accuse you of "misleading", as you didn't actually say where you thought your stats were leading.

According to my figures, Gale only played 11 full games this season plus 2 off the bench, coming back from his main injury layoff. If you ignore his greatly disrupted season then you are simply being unfair. This is, btw, of course not to say he'd have been brilliant had he played the full season, we'll never know.

Gale's longest run without absence was 4 games in July-Aug. This ended up LWWL, the losses being the 20-26 at Wigan, where we had 8 men out, we played damn well and he did, but lost in the last second; and when we were, simply, robbed by a point after a spirited performance at home to Catalans.

As I mentioned a week or two back, of the 11 games he has played, Gale has been our MoM on 4 occasions which isn't too shabby and of course results are all-important but when you are trying to debate the perceived value/ability of a player then how he played personally is as germane as the result.'"


Some fair points which certainly balance the argument. There's no doubt, he HAS had good games but at times he looks so poor, so lack lustre and down in the mouth that he looks the worst player on the pitch. Fitness/injuries must at play but he needs a big pre-season.

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Quote: the inquisitor "Massive rumblings about Cummins man management or lack of it. Senior players demanding showdown talks with Omar in next few weeks.'"


Can't see Cummins getting the chop with only a year under his belt, BUT a certain ex-Bulls coach may well be looking for work before the start of next season... What are the chances of McNamara returning as assistant coach/director of rugby? A similar precedent was set when Brian Smith returned to Odsal, was it not?

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Quote: Exeter Rhino "Can't see Cummins getting the chop with only a year under his belt, BUT a certain ex-Bulls coach may well be looking for work before the start of next season... What are the chances of McNamara returning as assistant coach/director of rugby? A similar precedent was set when Brian Smith returned to Odsal, was it not?'"


I think most people would agree there is a very considerable difference in abilities between Mr McNamara and Mr Smith!

Even in the current financial hard times I think Mr McNamara would be unlikely to return to Odsal even if he offered to pay £1m to the club for the privilege.

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I can't see a still youngish bloke who hasn't yet got a massive amount of coaching experience being selected as 'director of rugby', or however that job is described.

What's needed is a been there, done that, got the T-shirt mature sort of guy who is maybe tired of the day to day pressure of being head coach but is an approachable person, to whom our rookie coach can go to when he's not too sure about things or maybe feels he could do with some reassurance. Haven't we all been there, some time after taking on extra responsibilities at work?

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Quote: Bulliac "I can't see a still youngish bloke who hasn't yet got a massive amount of coaching experience being selected as 'director of rugby', or however that job is described.'"


True, but the same could be said for the appointment of an international coach for a nation with aspirations to win a world cup.

Playing devil's advocate, if McNamara won the world cup, would all be forgotten?

After all, Brian McClennan managed good things with New Zealand before being appointed head coach at Leeds, yet he still lacked frontline coaching experience in the NRL or SL.

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Quote: Ferocious Aardvark "Don't fib.'"


Who is fibbing?

Come on now FA. Your ridiculous predictions were a great source of hilarity. According to you we should have been looking down on the Catalans and Saints by now! icon_biggrin.gif

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Quote: Exeter Rhino " What are the chances of McNamara returning as assistant coach/director of rugby? A similar precedent was set when Brian Smith returned to Odsal, was it not?'"


Why don't you take a long walk off a short pier? icon_wink.gif

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