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Maybe the club will surprise us all on Thursday by announcing a marquee messiah signing?

Its about the only thing I can think of that might just lift this depression a bit right now.

I just hope they don't surprise us by announcing something very much the opposite.

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Is Matt Orford a free agent now?

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Quote: MicktheGled "Peter Hood had a face of thunder at full time and while I won't repeat what he said on here, it's good to at least know that the people running the club are fully aware of the task and changes that NEED to be made.'"

Blah blah heard it too many times now. Talk is cheap and were very good at talking.

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Quote: Adeybull "Maybe the club will surprise us all on Thursday by announcing a marquee messiah signing?

Its about the only thing I can think of that might just lift this depression a bit right now.

I just hope they don't surprise us by announcing something very much the opposite.'"

I'm coming to the forum even not been a member, if I don't get let in fine I won't waste any more time money or energy on a club that treats its fans like fools.

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Quote: Bully_Boxer "Is Matt Orford a free agent now?'"


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Burgess is another big unit but knows what he's doing and uses the ball well. As soon as he started making holes your old friend Mr Morrison picked him out a few times and stopped him steam rolling us. Hope we keep him.

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Quote: Adeybull "Be careful what you wish for. And I'm still waiting for your nominated successor. Who is he, Mike? SOMEBODY has to do the job - for no pay and a load of personal grief. Who is YOUR candidate? And, as I said, why - when Hood has only 7% of the shares and so has bugger all votes in the scheme of things, has your man not already ousted him? Who is he Mike, and why?

I'm no Hood worshipper. Personally, I find him difficult to talk to, and have virtually no dealings with him. But he is the only one who seemed prepared to take job on. With what was then I think the smallest shareholding round the boardroom table, he certainly cannot have seized the job!!

And you are making the big mistake of failing to distinguish between symptoms and causes, IMO. In particular, we did not run out of money BECAUSE Hood and Macca took the reins. Hood and Macca took the reins WHEN we ran out of money. That is a rather fundamental difference, would you not say, with some pretty profound implications? Why did your men Noble and Caisley not stick around to solve the crisis we were in then? After all, Caisley had 27% of the shares, Hood only 7%, so Caisley just needed another couple of directors or so on side and he could have done what he wanted - and made sure Noble stayed. So why did he go?

Another one to ask yourself there, Mike.

As I said, lack of money is far from being the whole story. A shareholding profile that is not sustainable and I fear can only eventually end in tears is part of the story, as is being stuck in this city (If I call it a "failing" city Bullseye will play hell with me again, so I'll leave folk to prefix "city" with a suitable adjective of their choice) with a largely apathetic population and a useless local authority and no prospect of a new stadium. But running out of money five years or so ago, and all those other factors, cannot be laid entirely or even substantially at the door of your two guilty men - can they?'"



I don't have to nominate anybody, Adey. Im just saying that I'll be glad when he's gone and this culture of failure is fully behind us.

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Quote: MicktheGled "Burgess was quite simply unstoppable for the Royston try (bowling ball and skittles come to mind).'"


That pass was so far forward, he'd go well in the NFL! Even so, he was certainly a handful and tough to put down.

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Quote: Bulls4Champs2010 "I don't have to nominate anybody, Adey. Im just saying that I'll be glad when he's gone and this culture of failure is fully behind us.'"


No, you don't Mike.

But any fool can play hell about what they believe is wrong. The way to rise above the fools is to put forward a solution. I'm sure you would not want to be seem merely as a whinging fool (which I know you are not), but instead as someone with a constructive suggestion? Since you are so strongly opposed to Hood, I felt sure that you must have a candidate in mind who is ready, willing and able to take over the reins? If you don't, then would you have us run with no leader at all? After all, from your service days I'm sure you'd agree that the only thing worse than bad leadership is no leadership at all?

My own constructive suggestion is that we need a sugar daddy desperately. But I do not know of anyone ready, willing and able to take on that mantle. Without that, therefore, we have to play the cards we are dealt.

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Quote: Bulls4Champs2010 "It's all happened since Hood and Macca took the reigns, therefore the buck stops with them, mainly Peter Hood.
Champs to chumps. Very well done.

Like I said, I'll be happy when he's long gone.'"


And Like Adey said

Come on? Come on? I'm sick of you saying Hood out etc without any foundation or logical solution on who'd take over.. Come on! Let's hear your masterplan. Does it involve selling Kearney by any chance?

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Quote: snowie "joking aside many thanks to all the bulls fans that made the trip over, not sure if us fans could of done the same if it was at you place

see you next season

Tom Burgess
Were you watching the same player, needs to go back to school and learn there is more to RL than knocking little players out of the way - try passing, catching and most basic of all holding onto the ball.

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I suspect Snowie was impressed with his potential. Tom isn't anywhere near the finished article, his ball control is one area of a few that he needs to work on.

It has been a pretty good 1st season for Tom though in a tough position for such a young guy. I thought one of his knock on was a clear strip that the officials missed and he had a pretty decent game. Certainly our most destructive runner on the night.

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Quote: Adeybull "No, you don't Mike.

But any fool can play hell about what they believe is wrong. The way to rise above the fools is to put forward a solution. I'm sure you would not want to be seem merely as a whinging fool (which I know you are not), but instead as someone with a constructive suggestion? Since you are so strongly opposed to Hood, I felt sure that you must have a candidate in mind who is ready, willing and able to take over the reins? If you don't, then would you have us run with no leader at all? After all, from your service days I'm sure you'd agree that the only thing worse than bad leadership is no leadership at all?

My own constructive suggestion is that we need a sugar daddy desperately. But I do not know of anyone ready, willing and able to take on that mantle. Without that, therefore, we have to play the cards we are dealt.'"


How can he come up with a possible candidate when he doesn't (I'm guessing) hold any of the shares? I actually feel sorry for Hood. He's been left holding the baby by a dysfunctional group of shareholders who are neither prepared to support him or remove him. Whilst his management of the balance sheet has been excellent, his management of the playing side is a disaster and it's not whinging to say so.

I take your point about no leadership but I think the only way to way to halt the momentum of decline is for him to resign and force the shareholders to face up to the issue.

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I don't think anyone else who DOES hold any of the shares has an answer though, do you? That is the problem. Any solution to the shareholding impasse IMO is likely to come from someone from outside, with a big chequebook to buy out a majority of the existing holders. Would you not agree?

But my point to Mike remains[isymptoms[/i of things having been badly wrong. Even if we do not all necessarily agree as to the [icauses[/i. Indeed, I doubt any of us who post on here will have a clear enough understanding of ALL of the causes to be able to provide a fully-objective proposed solution. I know I cannot. But what is the solution?

This goes out to anyone who is understandably playing hell at our current plight: OK, the symptoms are plain to see; we can all guess at the probable causes. Some of us may even be nearly right. But what realistic solution can you put forward, beyond simply "sacking" those you hold responsible?

At least you have proposed a possible way of resolving one of the big issues we face - potentially the most significant one, even - albeit something of a nuclear option. I'd feel a lot happier if all those who say "sack" Hood/Hood should stand down" would give us some idea of who they would set up in his place - and how they would set about it? You are, to my knowledge, so far the only one to have suggested a practicable, if (I am sure we would both agree) far from ideal, approach. One that would certainly achieve a result - but what that result would be is far from foreseeable? Maybe the time has indeed come to bet the future of the club on a pair of fives, but it would be a high-risk strategy for sure? What is for sure, I suggest, is that things cannot go on as they are.

But pretty well everyone else who wants Hood to go appears to think someone far better will magically appear in his place!

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Quote: Bully_Boxer "I suspect Snowie was impressed with his potential. Tom isn't anywhere near the finished article, his ball control is one area of a few that he needs to work on.

It has been a pretty good 1st season for Tom though in a tough position for such a young guy. I thought one of his knock on was a clear strip that the officials missed and he had a pretty decent game. Certainly our most destructive runner on the night.'"


There is an old saying I'm sure you know - "a good biggun will always beat a good smallen". Most players have a key ingredient to their game - Burgess is clearly power and strength combined with decent speed. However all players must have core skills. I've seen players of his age who are no better so I'm not just bagging him. He has another couple of seasons to get those skills and then and only then should we really be impressed - that IMHO applies to all players though it doesn't seem to be the British way where we over hype players far to soon - see Westerman who is now a good two years behind where he should be. Gets the fundamentals right though and Burgess will be world class - fingers crossed.

Snowie is a good lad but I think he needed a bit of perspective - as well as we played last night we are not the best team to gauge players against - if there is one team in SL that size is an advantage to the opposition it's us - Gledhill and Amor who propped for us would make one Burgess! Whilst our centres and wingers were tiny or kids or both. No wonder that man boy had a field day. Prospects are many, finished product is in short supply.

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