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| Quote: childofthenorthern "It's fairly clear that he does want to go at some point so I'd be happy to release him early if we could include some return clause. Say in exchange for an early release he agrees to come back to us, or appropriate financial compensation, on return. We'd get a more experienced player back, Sam gets to try prove himself and we part on good terms.
Rather that than he leaves out of contract having stuck it out and if/when he does come back we possibly find ourselves watching as he goes elsewhere.'"
I like the idea but I'm sure I've heard of similar arrangements in the past that didn't quite work out as intended......
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| Quote: Duckman "I like the idea but I'm sure I've heard of similar arrangements in the past that didn't quite work out as intended......'"
Didn't quite work out for 2 party's, the 3rd one involved seemed to come out of it with something.
If by now we don't have the experience of employment and contract law to draft something legal then we've learnt nothing. Make the compensation high enough, maybe dependant on his earnings and caps, and we might price enough clubs out of bidding for him anyway.
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| Quote: childofthenorthern "Didn't quite work out for 2 party's, the 3rd one involved seemed to come out of it with something.
If by now we don't have the experience of employment and contract law to draft something legal then we've learnt nothing. Make the compensation high enough, maybe dependant on his earnings and caps, and we might price enough clubs out of bidding for him anyway.'"
I wasn't saying dont try it, I would like to think that Sam would either like to play in the NRL or with only us in SL, so yes, get a contract drawn up that brings him back to us after his stint in Oz and includes suitable compensation if he goes a year early. It's just that with our luck, previous form, call it what you will, I can see it not working out like that for us, hope Im wrong.
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| Such arrangements might sound good in theory, but in reality it's hard to see them working out well.
What if Sam went down under and was a big success and never wanted to return to Superleague?
The only way you could guarantee him having to return, contractually, would be for us to tie him to a long contract then loan him out.
If and when he does go I imagine it will be a clean break, with both parties making noises about how he will return one day, to lead McNamara's young "building for the future" team out of Championship 1 in 2018.
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| Losing our Sammy would be a big loss of playing talent and eye candy at the club
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| Time for a new banner competition as it looks like neither faces will be at Bradford for much longer.
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| Quote: tigertot "Time for a new banner competition as it looks like neither faces will be at Bradford for much longer.'"
A Nero & Worrloard one would look nice
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| Quote: tigertot "Time for a new banner competition as it looks like neither faces will be at Bradford for much longer.'"
No need, I keep one ready just for this eventuality
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| Quote: Ferocious Aardvark "No need, I keep one ready just for this eventuality
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It looks spookily like the world collapsing around the Bulls. Rather than the other way round.
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| Given we've brought Burgess through from the academy aren't we legally entitled to some financial compension if he moves before he's 24?
Also, would we be able to hold his SL registration? I believe we did something similar when Karl Pryce left?
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| Quote: Roofaldo "Given we've brought Burgess through from the academy aren't we legally entitled to some financial compension if he moves before he's 24?
Also, would we be able to hold his SL registration? I believe we did something similar when Karl Pryce left?'"
No and no.
We would be entitled to a fee as he is on contract, but the compensation thing only applies in the EU to OoC players.
The fee would be for his RL registration (which applies worldwide) which would transfer to Manly or whoever. We were able to keep Pryce's registration because he left the sport.
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| Quote: Stul "No and no.
We would be entitled to a fee as he is on contract, but the compensation thing only applies in the EU to OoC players.
The fee would be for his RL registration (which applies worldwide) which would transfer to Manly or whoever. We were able to keep Pryce's registration because he left the sport.'"
Well that sucks monkey wang
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| Quote: Roofaldo "Well that sucks monkey wang'"
Certainly in football, the transfer fees have always exceeded any compensation deals, so that's maybe not a bad thing. The compensation is for costs incurred in the 'production' of the player - not to compensate his market value (although these costs would include wages, which may reflect the market value).
There were two options mentioned in the thread earlier - one would be some form of clause in his release allowing the Bulls first choice if he cam back to the UK. I've no idea if that would stand up (although I didn't think that the Harris one would have done if we'd have taken it all of the way).
The second would be some kind of long term loan, but this is fraught with complications - any of which bearing out would see The Bulls losing out financially.
If he's going we need to screw the maximum possible fee for him, without any clauses lowering that fee and subsequently proving unenforceable.
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| Quote: Stul "Certainly in football, the transfer fees have always exceeded any compensation deals, so that's maybe not a bad thing. The compensation is for costs incurred in the 'production' of the player - not to compensate his market value (although these costs would include wages, which may reflect the market value).
There were two options mentioned in the thread earlier - one would be some form of clause in his release allowing the Bulls first choice if he cam back to the UK. I've no idea if that would stand up (although I didn't think that the Harris one would have done if we'd have taken it all of the way).
The second would be some kind of long term loan, but this is fraught with complications - any of which bearing out would see The Bulls losing out financially.
If he's going we need to screw the maximum possible fee for him, without any clauses lowering that fee and subsequently proving unenforceable.'" Which is a £100 for every week the player has spent at the club.
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| Nil Desporandum people
All are flimsy rumours and none even accredited let alone confirmed.
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