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It's a question of trust.

We've had Peter Hood's Comedy Ali style of lying about how everything is fine.
Then Omar and his merry men with their questionable business acumen.
But always we've had lie upon lie and the fans have had enough and Ferres and Green need to understand that.

Now, the BOD might be doing stirling work behind closed doors, but the fans haven't seen it. There's this master plan of Green that Ferres keeps alluding to but no one seems to know what it is.

And so it comes back to trust and the honest answer is the fans do not trust the board.

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Quote: Ferocious Aardvark "Absolutely right. Not a single fan ever paid through a turnstile as a result of being publicly admonished by a chairman or club officer, and I'm astonished that they still come up with this stuff. It's the 21st century ffs. The notion of significant numbers of lapsed fans paying back in through a sense of obligation awoken by a jolly good ticking off and pep talk is faintly dotty.

Now if Ferres or whoever is in charge of marketing came up with (for example) some sort of attraction for any given one-off game, if they fired people's imagination then we might be able (and willing) to get one or two people to come along for the laugh.

Ferres said that I .. ie me ... and that YOU "NEED TO" get more people to come.
No, Steve Y_O_U need to do that. The people I know who used to come but no longer do will never come back unless and until THEY see that there is something THEY want to attend. I think it is both pointless and insulting to tell me that I "need to" get these people to come back, as if it's MY fault therefore if they don't. I have many times seriously considered joining them. So don't be having a go at me.'"


Top post, pretty much spot on.

I do wonder what he thinks the conversation will go like if I went down a pub in Bradford tomorrow

Me: “Hey mate, remember when you used to go the Bulls? Why not give it another try?”
Mate: “Hmm, for some reason I haven’t followed the club one bit since my last match 10 years ago. To be honest I was a bit sick of paying out for finals every few months”
Me: “Well you won’t have that problem any more”
Mate: “Not doing so well are they?”
Me: “No, it’s probably the worst Bradford team in my lifetime”
Mate: “Wow, that does sound appealing. Who is playing for them now?”
Me: “No idea, the club haven’t announced anything about who is playing next year”
Mate: “This is all great stuff, a marketers dream. Now before I run down to Odsal with my credit card, do they still have that “Where’s the warcry” bozo who used to ruin all the matches?”
Me: “No, there is an even bigger bozo now”
Mate: “Well, I’m convinced”

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Not sure though how far "trust" in the board is a factor. Thinking about it, in our heyday, I can't say I especially "trusted the board", I didn't really factor the board much into anything. Speaking personally, trust in the board isn't a factor. If I want to go support the team then I'll go. It's a bit like the "government", if you'll forgive the loose use of that term. They are about as unprincipled, untrustworthy a bunch of lying crooks as I could probably imagine but I can't change them so just get on with stuff regardless of them.

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Quote: amberavenger "do they still have that “Where’s the warcry” bozo who used to ruin all the matches?”
Me

When he used to shout "Let's hear the war cry" a few of us used to simply shout back "the war cry"

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Anyway, to help get your "friends and family, who were watching the Bulls in their heyday, to come back and enjoy what is going to be a change in experience at the club", here's your free cut-out-and-keep marketing brochure.

Quote: friends and family, who were watching the Bulls in their heyday, to come back and enjoy what is going to be a change in experience at the club "LOST St Helens 46 22 Bradford Bulls
LOST Bradford Bulls 30 32 Catalan Dragons
LOST Warrington Wolves 50 24 Bradford Bulls
LOST Bradford Bulls 18 44 Hull Kingston Rovers
LOST Salford Red Devils 46 18 Bradford Bulls

WON Bradford 20 12 Wakefield Wildcats
LOST Catalan Dragons 46 4 Bradford Bulls
LOST Huddersfield Giants 54 16 Bradford Bulls
LOST Bradford Bulls 0 50 St Helens

WON Bradford Bulls 34 28 Warrington Wolves
LOST Wigan Warriors 84 6 Bradford Bulls
LOST Bradford Bulls 6 46 Leeds Rhinos
LOST Bradford Bulls 24 38 Salford Red Devils
LOST Widnes Vikings 22 18 Bradford Bulls
LOST Hull Kingston Rovers 16 0 Bradford Bulls
LOST Bradford Bulls 18 66 Huddersfield Giants
LOST Hull FC 44 16 Bradford Bulls
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For me it's not really a case of not trusting the Board, I have no real reason not to trust them. If nothing else, the couple of times Marc Green's been down on the terraces he seems like a thoroughly pleasant chap and from seeing him celebrate on the Coral stand when we score, seems genuinely passionate about what he’s doing and the Club.

But we’ve had that many false dawns over the last couple of years that I am very much of the opinion “I’ll believe it when I see it” nowadays. Still, I’ll be getting my season ticket when they come out.

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Today's article does seem a bit oddly timed. Surely the time to be rallying up support is when the season tickets are on sale, or when squad announcements are being made?
If the poster in the other thread is correct and next week will see announcements, then it makes the timing of today's article even more strange.

Let's not overlook the possibility that this interview with Steve could have been done a while ago and the t&a have just held some bits back for a slow news day.

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After all we have been through in the last two years (if not six) if anybody was thinking of packing in then this rallying call from Steve Ferret would be the final straw. Perhaps he should remember that unlike him we do not get paid to go to games, it is what we do for so called entertainment.

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The Ferres article I think is about managing expectations of those who think we'll bounce back up regardless. I don't see too many on here that think like that.

Of course fans need to get behind the club Steve. You've not been here long but a fair few of us have been doing that for decades and through the most trying times for 50 years recently.

The way to get people back is to create a sense of optimism and a feel good factor. We're about to get relegated so supporters need to hear some good news.

Personally I'll still be there next season and onward as long as the club plays in Bradford. Whether I get a season ticket is more down to me having a million other things to do as well as go to the rugby so I need to be persuaded that it's a good idea. Buying one out of obligation will not work anymore.

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Eddie saying "With Bradford all but relegated, is Leeda/Cas now the biggest derby in West Yorkshire" was like a dagger through the heart. Motivation right there to get this club back where it belongs.

12 month ago, Cas were wore full on the field and barely got 3k for a game against Widnes. Now look at them. We can take inspiration!

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After all we've been through in the last 3 seasons, I just want a stable season financially. And promotion would be nice.

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Quote: Maccbull_BigBullyBooaza "Couple of questions I have about next year.

1. Presumably this year will be the last for dual registration?

2. Will the competition points system in the Championship fall in line with Superleague next year? ie. 2 for a win, 1 for a draw and no bonus points.'"



On this point, this weekend I tweeted our friend Mr Solly and got the following reply;

BS- "There is a working group currently looking at Duel Reg for next season & fan research underway on points scoring"

IMO Duel reg can't work next year between super leahue and the championship as it's effectively the same competition with the middle 8 playoff, likewise with the two leagues joining up for a playoff the points systems need to be the same surely?

Anyone in on the "fan research"?? - I tweeted him my preference so at least the [iresearch [/ihas one answer icon_biggrin.gif

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I'm not too familiar with the bonus point system myself in practice, and if current Championship fans like it or not, but whatever they decide IMO it needs to be the same in both SL and the Championship for the same reason the competitions are far more linked now. I know the points are wiped once we get to the 3x8 stage in the middle group, but it would be odd if half the teams had been playing under one points system all year and the other half another.

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Quote: amberavenger "I'm not too familiar with the bonus point system myself in practice, and if current Championship fans like it or not, but whatever they decide IMO it needs to be the same in both SL and the Championship for the same reason the competitions are far more linked now. I know the points are wiped once we get to the 3x8 stage in the middle group, but it would be odd if half the teams had been playing under one points system all year and the other half another.'"


It's the RFL, so they probably think that's a great idea.

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Quote: Duckman "On this point, this weekend I tweeted our friend Mr Solly and got the following reply;

BS- "There is a working group currently looking at Duel Reg for next season & fan research underway on points scoring"

IMO Duel reg can't work next year between super leahue and the championship as it's effectively the same competition with the middle 8 playoff, likewise with the two leagues joining up for a playoff the points systems need to be the same surely?

Anyone in on the "fan research" - I tweeted him my preference so at least the [iresearch [/ihas one answer
The other thing that's been trialled at the moment is two refs. Selected u19's games are having them.

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