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Quote: isaac1 "I would like a simple time line of events. from the club, not peiced together by several sources.

how did we get in to debt with the RFL. what, other than the stadium sale, was in place to extract themselves from the mire? how much tax is owed? how quickly do RBS enforce a reduced overdraft facility?
how much has hood and other board members put in to the coffers in the last year?

all of this would be available to any person interested in buying into the club during the due dilligence period of their offer, and alkthough it might scare some suppliers / service providers, it might just prove refreshingly honest and not get a negative response!

if i get something resembling frank answers about this, including Hood stating that he misjudged the whole of the situation, and inadvertantly misled the fans, then he gets my support in terms of a pledge. he appears to be a second rate salesman / politician, making his underlings take the flack. he is entitled to do this, but if he doesnt get that many of us dont trust him, then he is even more daft than i thought.'"


Nothing wrong with any of what you ask for there. That is precisely what I want too. I suspect some bits may be commercially sensitive, but IMO most could be put in the public domain. And, if the club is indeed telling it as it is, I believe would defuse nearly all of the reservations a lot of people have.

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Another one here who is not very happy about pledging until there is a bit more transparency with the whole situation. I am however coming home from visiting family down south a day early to come to the Leeds game. Will be paying on the door to show some support, albeit a few quid for now.

I really would like to help out more but my level of trust is not high enough at the moment, which is sad.

I have just shelled out the £45 on a home shirt though!

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Quote: Adeybull "[sizePeter? Are you there?[/size

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Quote: Adeybull "RBS have not taken away a £1m overdraft. The facility was nowhere anywhere near that. I have not personally beenn told the number, but I know a man who has. The Bulls asked for a small increase (again I know a man who knows how much), which seemingly triggered a credit review. The outcome was as stated.

I expect that the Bulls had received the stadium settlement from the RFL, meaning they had received funds that RBS saw they could effectively "grab" as a one-off opportunity to get out of their exposure. I have seen it happen any number of times before with banks - they dare not foreclose because they would take a hit, but the minute the customer receives a big receipt they immediately reduce the facility and threrby theri exposure. I suspect (although I do not know) that that is what happened in this case.

I have already explained why, IMO, the lease itself was of little value to a secured lender in the event of insolvency. I stand by that, and await anyone putting up a better counter-argument. The bank has a long-standing charge on all the assets - like the Coral Stand, the debtors, the fixtures and fittings, and so on as well as any intangibles that might have value that would survive in an insolvency.

The requirement to repay the loan early clearly put a huge dent in the cash flow. I suspect this is what has led to the tax liabilities not being paid (again, I am surmising albeit with some substance) and I suspect that the existence of the unpaid tax liabilities may then have given the bank more of a reason/excuse to seemingly take the opportunity to cut and run when they did. If that is the case, the domino effect started with having to repay the loan earlier (as I understand it, we are tyalking MUCH earlier) than expected, I'd suggest? Why that came about, how much it flew in the face of any previous assurances, and whether it could have been foreseen, is perhaps the most significant unanswered question of all IMO.

Why don't you ring Ryan (or even Hood) and ask him if he can put you a bit more in the picture, and form your own views? I did.

His number was on the flyer, and I know you are not the sort of person (as some others are) who would refrain from seeking the facts in case they were at variance with what you have convinced yourself must be the case. At least then, you could form your own view about how truthful the overall story is, rather than listening to the comments of others?'"


Considering we're being asked for £100 why don't they simply tell the whole story in the T and A? Then we have the definitive version as opposed to these 'I don't know but I know a man who does tales'. I don't want private conversations I want the true story put into the public domain. The breakdown of trust has come about precisley because we have different versions of the same fiasco filtered for effect. Confidentiality agreements, undisclosed fees, conversations in corners with unnamed persons - all smoke and mirrors.

I'm sorry this sounds like I'm holding you to account, which I'm really not as I think you're a passionate, decent bloke whose love for the Bulls is being abused and it's really not fair.

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Quote: M@islebugs "I don't want private conversations I want the true story put into the public domain. The breakdown of trust has come about precisley because we have different versions of the same fiasco filtered for effect. Confidentiality agreements, undisclosed fees, conversations in corners with unnamed persons - all smoke and mirrors.'"


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Addy, Jeffries, Langley, Purtell, L'Estrange all on the phones now.

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Now Matt Diskin aswell.

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Quote: Ewwenorfolk "Addy, Jeffries, Langley, Purtell, L'Estrange all on the phones now.'"


Don't they have agents?

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Quote: Adeybull "

The requirement to repay the loan early clearly put a huge dent in the cash flow.

the domino effect started with having to repay the loan earlier (as I understand it, we are tyalking MUCH earlier) than expected,'"



I'm getting confused. Which loan is that?

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Quote: Cibaman "I'm getting confused. Which loan is that?'"

From the RFL, I think

Thats the key to me. why was cash flow so bad 12-18 months ago that we effectively started this spiral?

was it about the same time as the first season ticket pledge?

seems like weve been skating on pretty thin ice for longer than the club told us. As a frequent visitor, that absolutely vindicates the view that adey has had for years, that althouogh we might not have huge ammounts of debt, we do have a shortage of cash flow streams with no reserves of cash

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