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Quote: HamsterChops "Watched the game on Sky. I agree the defence was excellent for the most part until I assume tiredness or momentum took over. The effort that went into that defence was really pleasing to watch.

As far as the attack goes, I now get what people on here who still go to the games have been saying. Whilst I understand that the kick for touch on the 5th is about territory and having patience, I do think that had a large factor in the loss. Being happy to constantly play for territory when it's a close game is fine if it stays close. But if they'd have chanced their arm a few times, tried something a bit more positive, they may have had more points on the board when Toronto started to take over and made it a different game.
The attack didn't just look poor in quality, it was really negative. Perhaps out of necessity if you don't have anyone out there who can create good last tackle options, but even if that's the reason, it's very concerning.

Losing to Toronto is nothing to be ashamed of though. They are the best team in the competition by an absolute mile. This season isn't about beating them to promotion, it's about consolidating the place in the Championship and looking to build towards promotion in the future.'"


It's a simple, basic tactic that means the opposing team don't get to make any unopposed yardage.

We gave a good account of ourselves today - yes, we should where we are weakest, namely in having someone give us the ability to break through the line but we were never going to beat Toronto on their home patch. If we finish the season in a play-off spot, then I'll consider it a good season for Bradford and expect us to built into 2020

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Quote: HamsterChops "Watched the game on Sky. I agree the defence was excellent for the most part until I assume tiredness or momentum took over. The effort that went into that defence was really pleasing to watch.

As far as the attack goes, I now get what people on here who still go to the games have been saying. Whilst I understand that the kick for touch on the 5th is about territory and having patience, I do think that had a large factor in the loss. Being happy to constantly play for territory when it's a close game is fine if it stays close. But if they'd have chanced their arm a few times, tried something a bit more positive, they may have had more points on the board when Toronto started to take over and made it a different game.
The attack didn't just look poor in quality, it was really negative. Perhaps out of necessity if you don't have anyone out there who can create good last tackle options, but even if that's the reason, it's very concerning.

Losing to Toronto is nothing to be ashamed of though. They are the best team in the competition by an absolute mile. This season isn't about beating them to promotion, it's about consolidating the place in the Championship and looking to build towards promotion in the future.'"


Our attack today was a huge improvement on what we've been serving up for the past few weeks. Go and watch the Dewsbury/Barrow home matches for a more accurate reflection of how we normally play.
If you thought our attack today was bad, it's probably for the best you're not attending many games anymore icon_lol.gif

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Gave it to them for 60mins. They knew they were in a game. Experience told in the end.

Don't know why Gibson isnt playing but deffo missed Minchella in the middle. I'd abandon that experiment. EM in the centre doesn't bring anything different than AG in that position and we are taking Elliot out of the game. I think we could do with a experienced backrower too, but Minchellas talent goes some way to making up that gap in my opinion.

Definitely missed Webster and Evans in the centres, Leutele punished us. I like DFG and Grants enthusiasm but they're positional sense seems somewhat lacking.

Ethan Ryan at FB doesn't work for me, doesn't have e the link play or positional awareness with the ball in hand, positioning defending a bit suspect as well. He's good under the high ball and makes important tackles at times but he's much better on the wing.

Wildie organisation missed, Flanagan mongrel missed, loved Hallas go forward and tenacity though. He is the heart beat as Barrie MC mentioned.

As mentioned Below thought it was a really good effort. Now half of the season gone it's evident that we really need to sign a natural full back.

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Thought we were Ok. Defence was largely good but, yeah we would possibly have been better with Webster and Evans at centre, but they weren't there and the players who were played creditably. Our attack looked sharp on occasion, not least on the Rowan Milnes try, and against a team which is a country mile better than any other in this division, we were good enough to bode well for the rest of the season.
Bring on the Rhinos, another game where playing well and not winning can appear in the same sentence, get the cup out of the equation and kick on for the rest of the year.

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I think we will shock the Rhinos.

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There is a real spirit in the team. At 16-0 down I thought we were onto a hiding. But we dug deep and were just beaten by a better team at the end of the day. Agreed about Minchella being wasted at centre, though I did think Mikey Wood had a great game. Got another 3 fixtures coming up where we have to put in an effort like that.

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Quote: Bulls4Champs "I think we will shock the Rhinos.'"


Nah. They'll beat us but if we play like that again then at least we'll give them a good game and keep it respectable.

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Thought we turned up really well yesterday. Great defence for most part. Need to work on wings a bit as our wingers got sucked in a few times leaving a overlap which Toronto exploited to score. Generally s much better performance than I was expecting.

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Quote: Bulls4Champs "I think we will shock the Rhinos.'"


Nowt would shock me right now. Run at our markers and one-out defenders and you'll be good for 4 or 5 tries. Everyone else is.

Thought you went well yesterday and am looking forward to next week.

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Quote: Nothus "Despite the loss I think that's up there with the best we've played all season. Fantastic defense, a very high completion rate and we even looked relatively competent with ball in hand!
There were cutout passes! Dummy runners! Offloads! We even scored a try from further than 40 yards out!
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I think that realistically we are in the Championship for the forseeable future due to the triple threat of the SL pulling up the drawbridge, the new expansion teams that can throw money at squads and also newly relegated teams such as Widnes that can hold onto their SL squad. However the competition in this division seems a lot more even. Would people be happier in this division winning more matches but finishing third or fourth?

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Quote: rugbyreddog "I think that realistically we are in the Championship for the forseeable future due to the triple threat of the SL pulling up the drawbridge, the new expansion teams that can throw money at squads and also newly relegated teams such as Widnes that can hold onto their SL squad. However the competition in this division seems a lot more even. Would people be happier in this division winning more matches but finishing third or fourth?'"


The problem with this line of thinking is our current owner, like the last one, has set the club up with the aim of being in SL. It's the reason JK quit his comfortable desk job at Wakey in order to be a head coach once more.Our current set up is not sustainable long term in this division. If we were to accept long term championship rugby then we'd have to go part time losing all our best players and then be competing with the rest of the league for the same journeymen. The academy would have to be downgraded and we'd have to accept that any players we produce, that had any potential above been a part time player, would leave at the first opportunity. The fanbase would shrink along with our income ( we'd have to reduce the high ticket prices )and we'd have no better chance of being a top four championship club as any other in this league.

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I thought for where we are in our rebuilding, and first time round in the Championship, it was a very creditable performance. Toronto are very good and improving, and yet knew they had been in a game.

To me, the major difference between the two teams was the tactic that Toronto had obviously decided upon, and that is to attack at all costs and tire us out. It worked, because the lopsided score at the end was the result of them having taken so much petrol out of our tank, and even then we didn't collapse, but scoring became easier as gaps appeared.

the most noticeable factor for me, and which led o us spending large parts of the game trying vainly to get out of our own half, was the simple tactic of running hard after a quick PTB, AND having two or 3 men running close to the ball carrier. This we found hard to cope with, and our one man drives contrasted very poorly with it. Whether we don't have the personnel to regularly send at least a couple of players sprinting with the ball carrier to stretch the defence, I don't know, but it made it very clear that Toronto were in charge, and overall, were a lot more threatening and got a shedload of far better field position.

But like I say, I thought we coped with it pretty well, it was a very stern test and should stand us in good stead for the coming games. We gave them about a 50% better game than I feared we might. A full squad with everyone playing in position would have been interesting.

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Surprised that nobody on here pointed out that 2 of Toronto`s tries were scored by us knocking on in our home 20 metre area (which were a few of the times we did not complete a set) and giving them possession . Also the harsh penalty given on Dalton Grant when he appeared to be in the clear only for the ref to say he been tackled, resulted in a Toronto try. So maybe with a bit of luck the score would have been more respectable. Toronto were the better team offensively, moving the ball about swiftly (and getting away with quite a lot of dubious forward passes), but they weren`t as good defensively as I thought they would be. As many have pointed out the defensive effort was magnificent. I also thought Rowan Milnes had is best game so far and is settling into the role after the step up from the academy.
it was a great following and we made more noise than the locals. I know Odsal is not a great stadium these days, but the Lamport Stadium was not great, in fact if the weather had not dried up, because there is no cover, it would have been terrible. We arrived half hour before kick off and it was raining which was bad enough but to make things worse the beer was $9 a drink.

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I agree about the ground was glad the rain stopped. Didn’t mind paying the $9.5 a pint for the craft stuff available much better than the majority of crap you get in Uk stadiums for not much less.

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