Maybe you missed my point, which was that Little Germany (for example) is no hole. Whether it contains anything to attract you is not the same issue. If I were a tourist, I'd love it, and apparently, many do.

What could they put in Little Germany that would attract you? In the sense of keeping on coming back, again and again? That's the hard question, and it's not restricted to Little Germany.

I entirely agree that, taken as a hole - sorry, whole- the sum total of Bradford city centre as the Council have allowed it to become is a dead zone, but what keeps city centres such as Leeds busy is people with enough money shopping in enough decent shops. Once you have them, the hang-on businesses such as cafes and bars will just naturally pick up passing trade. But through a policy of attrition and planning madness, Bradford as a place to shop was slowly strangled to death by the Council and I see no sign of them stopping any time soon. On the contrary, they spend most of their time making excuses for Westfield, and designing ever more elaborate traps to extort penalties out of any visitor who may be brave or foolish enough to attempt to enter the city centre, rather than inviting and encouraging them in.

A mate has been trying to open a new bar in the city centre these last few months. It is in a row of unoccupied shops. Well, of bloody course it is, seeing as that is pretty much the centre. Will they let him? Oh, no. This is a retail zone, you see, we can't have a bar in there to spoil the shopping vibe. You couldn't make it up. You'd think anyone actually wanting to open a new business in the centre would have their hands snatched off by the Council.

That is a shame. You are such a "happening guy" that no doubt your mates are all hip dudes too so I reckon this bar would have been a big hit. If he had been allowed to open this bar then maybe it just could have been the reason for Orford to reconsider his decision to go home.

Coming from Bradford gives me street cred in Exeter. When people ask where I'm from they either look at me blankly (at which point I remind them that Bradford is near Leeds, which usually does the trick), or ask me if I took part in the riots.

You've piqued my interest. Did you?

They generally tell me I'm the wrong colour which is a bit out of order!

To be fair though, Bradford didn't get voted for being the second or third worst city in England for being a glamorous city did it? The vast majority of Bradford is a Sh!thole!!

Depends what you call Bradford.

If you include the whole met area and places like Saltaire, Baildon, Wilsden, Bingley, Harden and beyond it's got the nicest countryside in West Yorks.

Especially the UNESCO world heritage sites - they are always rubbish

How has this thread turned into a Bradford bashing thread? It should be an Orford bashing thread surely?

Getting back to Orford. Wasn't there a rumour about a major dressing room bust up?

think him and lynch not seeing eye to eye has been mentioned by a couple of posters.

Might Lynch at 6'2 be a physical reason for this imbalance?