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| As a Cas fan I remember the pain when we lost Andy Lynch, Michael Platt, Ryan Hudson & Wayne Godwin when we got relegated. Clubs secretly courting players is the lowest of the low. A joke & a disgrace.
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| Quote: HLL1969 "OK I need some help here. Adey?
As BG was charged with getting the best outcome for the creditos I fully understood, and valued, his stance in refusing offers for our playing staff, even considerable ones such as that for Bateman. I assumed this was to protect the company's assets in the result of making the business a more valuable and attractive proposition for investors.
So, given that the method of transfer to OK appears to have made void all contracts what was the point in turning down income by selling players earlier in the "process?"
I'm utterly bemused by this but wonder if there was a reason why.'"
My assumption was, and remains, that the administrators were prevented from selling players by an edict - sorry, gentlemans' agreement - from the RFL that other clubs would not seek to poach our players. Same way as we were allegedly told to keep our mitts off Rob Purdham when London fell over. And, of course, a player could not leave of his own volition as he was still under contract and the contract had not been breached. (As a side issue, I reckon if your employer becoimes insolvent, you the employee should be allowed to void the contract at your option, but that ain't the law as it stands).
SO the minute the TUPE notice is issued, THEN a player can decline the transfer and resign.
BUT...surely when you resign you have to give notice? And wasn't he under contract to end 2013?
But it would be Bradford Bulls Holdings Ltd that would be obliged to pay him for working his notice. Except the company will be liquidated soon, and the minute liquidators are appointed the contract is voided anyway.
Suspect we are stuck with it. Same as with any others who it transpires do the same.
Doubtless the paperwork will record that the deal was done a matter of nanoseconds AFTER the TUPE notice was received. Remember, players WERE allowed to talk to other clubs about lining up a future IF the Bulls fell over.
And doubtless a certain player will be far from popular round these parts, but no doubt the state of his bank account will help hm bear our discontent with considerable fortitude.
As for Ken Davy, I very much hope he finds he lives in very interesting times. He must be devastated at just how little return and success he has achieved on his many millions poured in, and on just how few of the citizens of the town can be d turning out to watch his bankrolled team. I find I can bear HIS disappointment with equal fortitude.
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| bateman and whitehead next
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| On the narrow point of timing, I seem to recall from reports on Rangers that a decision to decline being TUPE'd had to be made within a certain fairly brief period following the offer - 2 weeks possibly.
Mind you, I'm mostly wrong at the moment.
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| Quote: Jake the Peg "bateman and whitehead next'"
And gale!
Plus all those out of contract.
Sad times but I guess player were sick of the crooked undertones involved in the club, the lies and the game playing. The only reason other contracted players haven't exercised their rights under TUPE is because they woulfnt find a club never mind one which would match the stupidly big bucks they are currently on. I see redundancy is an option for mr khan under tupe legislations- a way off getting the big earners off the pay roll perhaps?????
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| Quote: Bullsfab! " I see redundancy is an option for mr khan under tupe legislations- a way off getting the big earners off the pay roll perhaps?????'"
But not off the salary cap.
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| Quote: bullsonfire "One thing's for sure we don't want to be paying lawyers any brass trying to sort it out.
If he wants to go, let him go. One less on the wage bill.'"
Whatever, staggeringly poor form. Maybe something had emerged in the dressing room prior to the Hull debacle? Might explain why we didn't look the same team.
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| SKY Sports has this from his agent:
"Craig was notified by the joint administrators by letter dated September 3, 2012 that his playing contract had transferred with effect from August 31, 2012 to OK Bulls Ltd," read a statement.
"He then served notice on the administrators that he objects to the transfer of his employment under the relevant TUPE legislation.
"The net effect of having served the notice is that he is deemed to have resigned with effect from August 31, 2012 and his employment with the club is automatically terminated."
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| I am not just saying this because I am a Bradford fan. I said this 1 year ago as well. Huddersfield are scum and are a scummy set-up. They are vile.
I said the same when they picked apart Wakey even when there was a fighting chance of them staying up. Nobody else did until AFTER things had got sorted. Same here. Hudds picking our players when nobody else is. Absolute disgrace to the sport. And after everything the top teams have done for us I feel as though we owe them as their support has been huge. As for Huddersfield they can f!?k off (pardon the language).
To be fair I actually like Leeds more than Huddersfield (and that is painful to say) but when Leeds play Hudds next season (or in the playoffs and this weekend) my support with be right behind our nearest and dearest rivals.
I hope all the other 13 super league clubs don't forget what Hudds did when they inevitably go bust when Davy pulls out. And I hope they all take the same stand and rip them to pieces.
I know a few on here will say this is childish etc etc but to be honest I do not care This is my view on Hudds. Other clubs are fine.
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| Is SoftKop injured?
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| Cannot read the whole thread but
key point as i understand is this bit.
Quote: Craig was notified by the joint administrators by letter dated September 3, 2012 that his playing contract had transferred with effect from August 31, 2012 to OK Bulls Ltd.
"In a statement issued to Press Association Sport, Shuttleworth said
Not his fault he has protected himself.
Has no idea which league he will be playing in next year, what his salary or terms and conditions will be etc.
Not sure if Bradford's legal advice is very good.
If they had not listened to their solicitors before re Harris they might not have gone bankrupt. !!!!
And as for all the morality bit some on here are spouting. You have done your share of raiding weaker clubs in the past as have other teams.
When we got relegated everyone was happy to pick our bones.
You also used to do a good job of taking Huddersfields youngsters offering them more money.
I dont know all the ins and outs but i am aware that HUDDERSFIELD were not the one club that voted going to 13 teams and booting Bradford out of SL. That was someone else
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| Enlighten us to who it was then? And yes when you were RELEGATED. We have not been. There is a huge difference.
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| Pi$$ poor of Koppy. If he wanted to go couldnt he have waited till the end os the season. I dont for one minute think we will make the 8 but this wont help the team. No matter what happens today I was really impressed with the team spirit show by the coaches, players and the fans. This puts a huge downer on things for me. He has just come back from a long injury and I think he owed it to us all to complete the season. I wish him no luck at all.
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| Quote: Durham Giant "Cannot read the whole thread but
key point as i understand is this bit.
Not his fault he has protected himself.
Has no idea which league he will be playing in next year, what his salary or terms and conditions will be etc.
Not sure if Bradford's legal advice is very good.
If they had not listened to their solicitors before re Harris they might not have gone bankrupt. !!!!
And as for all the morality bit some on here are spouting. You have done your share of raiding weaker clubs in the past as have other teams.
When we got relegated everyone was happy to pick our bones.
You also used to do a good job of taking Huddersfields youngsters offering them more money.
I dont know all the ins and outs but i am aware that HUDDERSFIELD were not the one club that voted going to 13 teams and booting Bradford out of SL. That was someone else'"
Please if you're going to troll at least make sure you get your facts straight, he knew exactly what his contract and pay would be if we were relegated, exactly the same as if he was playing in superleague.
We're not going bust because of the Harris deal although it's one of the many things that came together to put us in the position that we were in.
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| Quote: Northern Lad "Please if you're going to troll at least make sure you get your facts straight, he knew exactly what his contract and pay would be if we were relegated, exactly the same as if he was playing in superleague.
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No he would not, because...
1. The salary cap in the Championship is £300k (and £150k in Championship 1) compared to the £1.6m in SL, so players could not possibly be paid the same if the club lost its SL status, and anyway..
2. SL player contracts become automatically null and void if the club loses its SL status
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