Firstly, unless i've missed it, not one post blaming the referee. Now that must be a first.

Hull have had a very good start to the season although we have been fortunate in the fact that yourselves, Wigan and Catalans have been in poor form.

I'm concerned in by the fact that we don't seem able to kill teams off but im sure that once the pivotals get used to each other and our new recruits arrive we'll see us get even stronger.

Like others have said apart from the first 5 minutes you we're in the game. Against other clubs you would have had 2 points, you're unfortunate in the fact that you played us in good form.

You're not a bad team and I think McNamara has recruited well. You're a team lacking confidence but it will come and you'll end the season wondering what all the fuss was about.

I disagree that Thorman was the only difference, I felt we looked much fitter than Bradford, and we really should have killed the game off.

as for Jeffries, at best he has always been inconsistent and at worst anonymous, he really wasn't the calibre of player a team like Bradford should have bought in a key position.

I think it is going to take a year or two for Bradford to sort your side out to be honest, the squad is far too geared towards the forwards with a poor backline, whereas in the good years you had the solid Withers, Hape, Vainikolo etc to score the chances. You had no problem matching our pack today, but soon as the ball went out wide to the backs it fell apart time after time.

Yes and no. The game was certainly more entertaining than last week, I enjoyed watching Yeamans and Thormans display of how to play and half back respectively and at least this week we scored some tries. Also the Hull fans were a credit to their club today, as they get enough stick sometimes so today I'd point out the excellent and well behaved following.

On a positive note, two of the tries, the jeffries one following the break and the deacon kick for semi's try showed signs of life for the attack (as an aside - put those two relatively simple but effective pieces of play into the first two games and we have 4 points and the threads on here woud be a little different). It was good to see Lynch back, Nero is looking more like the he can be and hopefully Crookes was paying attention and learning each time Yeaman was teaching him for the hour and he'll be better for the experience.

However, increasingly worrying - the defence was not good. Deacon looks a shadow of his former self. Jefferies was largely ineffectual, and I cant see us winning anything with that ineffective half back pairing. Crookes Vs Yeaman was a total mismatch and although it was a shame to pull him off, Yeaman was less effective having to deal with Sykes IMO. Also (small)sections of our crowd are a disgrace - why boo Platt whilst he is stood on the touchline waiting to come on???? how does that help him or the team? and this leads to my main thought from today;



Its clear we are a team with almost zero confidence and good players are looking worse due to panicing and therefore playing "dumb" rugby. I'm not sure how much blame for this dumb rugby and individual error needs to be placed with the coach or the players (even if its the players the coach is responsible for bringing the players together as a group)

My main conclusion is that three away games on the spin will probably be good for everyone. Ramble over.

It was marginally better than last week. The main difference was that Wigan had a major point to prove whereas once Hull went 12-0 up they were happy to revert to cruise control. Whenever we threatened to get close they seemed to score more or less at will.

There seemed to be more effort but the defense still looked loose.

I think the fundamental problem is that the squad just isnt good enough. But I'm at a loss as to why players such as Burgess, Newton & Deacon are playing at about 30% of their capability. I know all three have had knocks but that doesnt explain why their skill levels appear to have disappeared.

tbh i do agree with u ,ur halfs are poor at the moment but whats losing u games is your defensive effort ,you have no chance of winning a game when u let in more than 4/5 trys a match ,we where the same last year its proberly because some of your squad are playing busted and some are just not fit enough ,every time we got in your 20 we scored simple

It happens in a team low on confidence and wins. We found it last year, otherwise excellent players appeared rubbish. I can only assume its a confidence thing.

12-0 down so early is very difficult to recover from when you're already low on confidence. Agar was delighted with this win, Hull players apparently saying you were the most physical opposition we've faced so far. You've got a very tough pack and some decent backs. Problem #1 is your half-back combination IMO. Neither look up to the job in hand at the moment.

Aye and don't we just know it. Unfortunately we have limited resources in this area. I'm praying we can bring someone in...

I aren't one for trawling through every thread to argue, debate and shout the odds with people. I generally leave it a few hours (and truth be told, a few beers) to come on and look for this post-match thread.

This game comes across to me as a kind of double edged sword. Our attack looked echelons better than the opening three games. Indeed, I believe had we shown this kind of attack against Hull KR and Huddersfield we may well have won, and not found ourselves in this predicament. Although this could well be clutching at straws! I'd still raise considerable questions about 6 & 7 though.

However, for the cost of us being able to attack, our defence seems to have imploded, particularly on the line. Our discipline as well has gone to pot.

We look awfully low on confidence, which I pray is the only difference between a win and a loss. Hull weren't as good as they were last Friday against Hudds, and it's only our inferior performance today which let us down I believe.

I wouldn't possibly be able to predict where our first win will come from, and all night I've had in the pub is "oh, its only four games in". But, how further can you possibly measure the season than where we are at the moment? Which is, a 0% win ratio and a 75% loss ratio.

I don't really know about Macca, you couldn't possibly attribute some of the horrific mistakes on the field today to him, but picking Platt on the bench, is quite bemusing to say the least.

One quick note on Newton, i'm aware he's carrying an injury but he looks terribly unfit. In and around the ruck when he was there, he got caught out very frequently.

Also, an honourable mention to Andy Lynch, who after a 6-month lay-off was absolutely terrific! (end on a positive I say).

Sheriffe was the big disappointment for me today and in promising moments in the second half he bombed key opportunities. Unforunately I think he knew it and after one too many his head went down and never got himself up for it mentally again.

At times like that you need to bring a player off for a rest. Is Dave Halley still available to recall from Wakefield? Cos I think he would help the situation, however he may not be able to raise the morale of the team and his excellent form so far this season at Wakefield may dissipate once he comes back here.

How can they do it now, unless someone puts their hand up and says we goofed with Sheriffe? Halley's face - for whatever reason - obviously didn't fit with someone and the message he got was, "go play for a lesser team, ( 4.72509765625:5