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| Well it's all over now. Thank God.
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| Indeed.
Lets move on.
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Others/combustable.gif Red Amber and Black Fantasy Rugby League Champion 2012.
By far the most sensible posts on this thread have come from mystic eddie. - copyright Ewwenorfolk 09.04.2013
Aye, and Eddie is hinting at it too. And, as we all know:
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| Quote: Block5Bull "Still. At least you are not bitter.'"
Very good.
For the record, I am not "bitter" over the saga in any way. In fact, seeing the blood pressure of a few select posters on here going through the roof is delightful.
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| Quote: mystic eddie "Interesting to read the Hoodwinkers' comments about thing "the club were not aware of". WTF???????
I thought we were getting past all this pathetic amateurism? Nice to see that theyu think they can just sweep it under the carpet claiming it is "water under the bridge". What a joke.
Some people within Odsal really disrespect their fans. They clearly think that our heads all zip up at the back.'"
probably not exactly be the case to be fair.
Hopefully most of the fans have read the release as: Orford has told a few porkies after we started playing hard ball but we can't say what.
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| Quote: phillgee "Hopefully most of the fans have read the release as
I am sure that is how most fans will have read it. or at least "...or prove it".
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| Quote: bullsonfire "There are more questions than answers.
Glad we can draw a line under this unholy mess though.'"
I guess we can all concur with that!!
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| The club have paid him almost all the money he wanted and released him from the remaining 2 years of his contract without compensation.
And the reasons for this are 'strictly confidential'?
With the best will in the world I think we deserve a bit better than this.
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| Quote: Maislebugs "The club have paid him almost all the money he wanted and released him from the remaining 2 years of his contract without compensation.
And the reasons for this are 'strictly confidential'?
With the best will in the world I think we deserve a bit better than this.'"
And you would (in all probability) have the club break an agreement they are likley to have signed, precluding them from so doing?
If it was you that was the subject of a compromise agreement, having sought to break your contract, and you had agreed terms with your employer that if made public could reflect very badly on you, as well as maybe showing that you did rather less well out of it than you would have people believe, and your ex-employer then proceeded to blab those confidential terms all over the media, what action would your lawyer take?
The arrangement may or may not bear any resemblance to that hypothetical scenario I just outlined, but surely it provides an example of why you may not in all fairness be entitled to any further explanation?
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| Orford has had the last laugh im afraid
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Others/combustable.gif Red Amber and Black Fantasy Rugby League Champion 2012.
By far the most sensible posts on this thread have come from mystic eddie. - copyright Ewwenorfolk 09.04.2013
Aye, and Eddie is hinting at it too. And, as we all know:
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| Quote: Maislebugs "The club have paid him almost all the money he wanted and released him from the remaining 2 years of his contract without compensation.
And the reasons for this are 'strictly confidential'?
With the best will in the world I think we deserve a bit better than this.'"
Indeed.
In fact, with it being so "hush hush" it suggests to me that one, or both, of the parties have something to hide that with tarnish his/their image.
As I said, wait on Orfords book coming out and we will all find out what.
Alledgedly.
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| Quote: Adeybull "And you would (in all probability) have the club break an agreement they are likley to have signed, precluding them from so doing?
If it was you that was the subject of a compromise agreement, having sought to break your contract, and you had agreed terms with your employer that if made public could reflect very badly on you, as well as maybe showing that you did rather less well out of it than you would have people believe, and your ex-employer then proceeded to blab those confidential terms all over the media, what action would your lawyer take?
The arrangement may or may not bear any resemblance to that hypothetical scenario I just outlined, but surely it provides an example of why you may not in all fairness be entitled to any further explanation?'"
What evidence have you that MO 'did rather less well out of it than (he) would have people believe'? The piece of worthwhile evidence has come from Connor in the T and A. Not once but twice he has stated that Orford has been paid all or nearly all he demanded. Is he making it up or has someone broken the confidentiality agreement to tell him something untrue? Your thesis goes 'we'll hint to the local paper that we've paid you but we won't really'. Come on.
And yes. I do believe that as a long term season ticket holder I am entitled to some explanation as to why the club is not in a position to stand behind it's own contract. This is mine and your money and the club has a responsibility to us if they continue to ask for our support. They touted Orford as a marquee signing, not me!
Thirdly, people are saying on here with some justification 'let's move on'. The major question remains what are we moving onto? What can stop Heath, Brett from getting on the plane to Oz tomorrow because they are homesick? Even George Burgess with 2 years left on a contract appears able to tell the Bulls that he wants to go to Oz and guess what?
I'm sorry but this looks very weak.
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| Just glad to see the back of this saga. I doubt much is achieved by raking over the coals without access to what's really happened and as we know that's confidential.
As Eddie says we can wait for the books to come out.
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| When his book comes out, I think I'll pre-order it from Amazon.
Then a day before the release date, I'll cancel the order, quoting "personal issues" as the reason for changing my mind.
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| Quote: Maislebugs "What evidence have you that MO 'did rather less well out of it than (he) would have people believe'? The piece of worthwhile evidence has come from Connor in the T and A. Not once but twice he has stated that Orford has been paid all or nearly all he demanded. Is he making it up or has someone broken the confidentiality agreement to tell him something untrue? Your thesis goes 'we'll hint to the local paper that we've paid you but we won't really'. Come on.
And yes. I do believe that as a long term season ticket holder I am entitled to some explanation as to why the club is not in a position to stand behind it's own contract. This is mine and your money and the club has a responsibility to us if they continue to ask for our support. They touted Orford as a marquee signing, not me!
Thirdly, people are saying on here with some justification 'let's move on'. The major question remains what are we moving onto? What can stop Heath, Brett from getting on the plane to Oz tomorrow because they are homesick? Even George Burgess with 2 years left on a contract appears able to tell the Bulls that he wants to go to Oz and guess what?
I'm sorry but this looks very weak.'"
I really wish we could put this to bed.
Yes it frustrates me as much as you. I'd have been quite at ease seeing him stripped of everything he owned. But I'm trying to recognise the likely realities of the situation.
I have the same evidence that you have. None. Since what I floated was a hypothetical situation to demonstrate why there could be valid circumstances to prevent the full tale being told.
Connor actually does not say Toerag has "been paid all or nearly all he demanded". The reference was to money that was already owed to him, that would have had to be paid anyway. Do you know if he had to pay any sum TO the club or concede anything else, something that is confidential? No, and neither do I. And if he DID, we'll not get to know...because its confidential. At least until the autobiographies come out.
What if, for example, Toerag claimed that his physical or mental health had suffered because of how terrible he found the English weather to be? What if he claimed the club had a duty of care to protect him from the terrible environment that is England? Ridiculous? Absolutely! But this is the sort of nonsense we see claims of every day in the papers, where tribunals make awards that seem plain ridiculous to the likes of you and me. What if this was the sort of nonsense counterclaim he put up? I have no idea WHAT counter-argument he put up, but it seems clear from what PH said that he did indeed put one up. Doubtless not as ridiculous as not liking the weather, since PH seems to be striking a conciliatory tone over it. But everything I have read points to a compromise agreement where I suspect the club found itself with limited options and at risk of counterclaim of some sort.
And if an employer splashes the terms of a confidential compromise agreement all over the media, that employer will likely face a serious action for damages.
No other employer would be likely to explain itself in the way you ask, and that includes most of the public sector in which you and I have a much more direct interest. So why should Bulls?
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