I said "starting" not quite there yet

Think you're getting it slightly wrong.

The [secret] loan was for £700K not £500k and the tie in to the lease was that, when the club thought they were getting £1.5m, the £700 k for the loan was tehn deducted from the lease sale before they got it. It was a neat move by the RFL because, as it occurred shortly before the club went into one of the previous admins, they could have lost the loan money in the admin. In fact, the RFL doing that was one one of the principal reasons they went into admin. I don't know how we've coped with all this 'help'. Oh, hang on, we didn't....

So after the last 5 years (and particularly the latest episode) how much worthiness is actually left in that name?

Different to season ticket money
ST money goes directly to the club, you have no say how that is spent.
Get people to subscribe to bisa and generate enough money for the club and that give you a say how it's spent, it's the fans money not the clubs

There hasn't been a BISA for at least 10 years.

There isn't one. My own totally pessimistic view is that what we've heard so far will not produce any setup even remotely worthy of the Bulls name. In the absence of an owner willing and able to put in substantial money, my own view is that the whole thing is dead in the water, at least as a recognizable Bradford club.

It seems to me that what few hints are emerging as to what lamb or whoever may have in mind will be something completely different, and it seems to me that that something will be committing suicide by taking the directive to start in the Championship.

Nothing has changed. If you want a Bulls-style big city team, then you always did, and always will, need a big money backer. What is being proposed amounts to nothing, it would leave the club that used to be Bradford in a much, much worse place than the club that used to once be the mighty Bradford Park Avenue. Same name, but no point. And they (allegedly) DO have a man with money involved.

Except you know damn well what we are talking about so why pretend you don't? The clubs know, the RFL knows, the press knows. It may of course just be you.

I’ll say it again. Who is the money man behind the hot air spouted by the likes of Lamb and Irvine? As individuals they don’t have the money. No club will survive the season without a pile of cash. As for being profitable that’s just ridiculous. At Odsal it’s impossible.

As for getting behind a team of whipping boy rabble in order to save the RFL embarrassment for not buggering up the fixtures well Nigel can shove that up his enormous flabby backside.

So we need to create the fans organisation as well as a club within the next month, have the new owners adhere to it and pay more money than we otherwise would on the off chance this time it won't fall apart. And it'll work because mumble mumble mumble oversight!

I don't mean to sound dismissive mate. I know you mean well. But there's a whole bunch of hand waving going on there.

Then I'd suggest now is the right time to get it started again , do that and I'll chuck a tenner in , not much I know but if you can get something going its a start

I was formerly on the BOD at Leigh ( 2002/2006 ) , I left when no longer in a position to support the club , my wife then took over as LISA secretary , so I got less involved , she got more involved

Recently membership has dropped of ( although we did see a jump in 2011 ish when the crap hit the fan ) and the club and committee have talked about ways of increasing the members , but basically a club only sees a rise when the club is in crisis

I'd say currently you are in crisis , now would be a good time IMO

Whoever gets the nod from the RFL creates the club , I'd suggest Nigel already knows who that will be

You the fans create the supporters organisation , and you only give the money as you see fit , there will be disputes , always is , but now is the time

But credit for starting the journey, and your life is better already

"The money".

WHAT money?

No appetite for the fans to run the club is there.
Am I right in saying if lamb & Co get the club, they've already stated they're going to ask the fans to get involved? If that is the case then surely all they're going to do is ask you for more money.

Test the waters at the first home game to see if it's worth starting bisa up again.

Just when the club needed you most