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Quote: af "Any more self-inflicted than Salford's failure to make the Barton move work? Or to sack Karl Harrison?'"


And I repeat the question - IF those things result in Salford's financial demise then can we expect SLE to bail us out?

And to answer your question - just look at Karl Harrison's record before the sacking - started well and went rapidly downhill, the Barton move I agree, the lack of marketing effort to attempt to galvanise the Greater Manchester public has been pitiful - but I would stress pitiful rather than downright incompetant - who did the due diligence on the Harris deal?, who examined the potetential effect of the sale of the lease?, who did the cash flow forecast on the season ticket pricing?

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Quote: BartonFlyer "And I repeat the question - IF those things result in Salford's financial demise then can we expect SLE to bail us out?'"


And I repeat - why the hell are you asking us?

That is a question you should address to the 13 SL chairmen or representatives who we are told unanimously approved teh decision.

And had they not taken that decsion, they would have been faced with the Bulls exiting SL stage left at very short order, and the structure and integrity of the competition for this year being wrecked.

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I don't think Bulls have been bailed out. They'll likely finish the season now but beyond that... ?

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Quote: BartonFlyer "And I repeat the question - IF those things result in Salford's financial demise then can we expect SLE to bail us out?

...'"


Leaving aside the fact that in no sense have the Bulls been "bailed out", obviously not, as unlike us, you're a little club, which they would be glad to see the back of.

indeed the SL boat may well have truely sailed. Agreed. Little wonder the SL clubs did not want such a flawed organisation in SL in 2013. And given that the RFL share your view of the future they will encourage players to find other clubs. Which is where I started.

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Quote: Adeybull "Haved I hit a raw nerve somewhere...?
Try not to guess the emotional responses of other posters, you appear to have little talent for it.

I said Hood used 'sugar daddies' in a disparaging way. It tends to be used negatively.

Thanks for Pearson and O'Connor. I am so glad we are nolonger fixating on McManus and Davy. icon_biggrin.gif

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Quote: Ferocious Aardvark "Not sure why the RFL, who own the Odsal lease, would want us in Div. 2 - where for one thing no way could we afford to play from Odsal. Unless they want to eat their iconic words and do a deal with the Council to sell the place off, which would leave them with more egg on their face than a man with a very big face covered in egg.'"


The Bulls in the Championship [ not Championship 1 ] could expect average gates of around 3/4,000 , that would allow them to pay a reduced rental to the RFL , drop to Championship 1 , and it all then falls apart

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Quote: Ferocious Aardvark "Not sure why the RFL, who own the Odsal lease, would want us in Div. 2 - where for one thing no way could we afford to play from Odsal. Unless they want to eat their iconic words and do a deal with the Council to sell the place off, which would leave them with more egg on their face than a man with a very big face covered in egg.'"

But the logistics of it mean exactly that. At the end of the month the (best of) the players will be gone (and I don't blame them) along with the already (technically) gone coaching staff, whilst we can sign no-one (not that many would come, I know) so where is our SL team and coaching staff to come from?

Even with a new owner there will only be the sick, lame and lazy left to recruit after everyone else has signed the ones they want. Yeah OK , maybe I exaggerate a bit but we'd be in exactly the sort of position that the RFL stopped P&R and started licensing to avoid; teams coming into SL without being able to recruit properly and then getting stuffed every week.

Jeez, there's no-one hopes I'm wrong more than me but I can't see beyond us being lined up for division 2.

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Quote: af "I don't think Bulls have been bailed out. They'll likely finish the season now but beyond that... ?'"


Exactly. The extent to which the wrong end of the stick has be grabbed seems to be killing any meaningful discussion.

Bradford would/will have a bit more time with, effectively, a different administrator. And if a buyer can't be found, the prospect (hopefully) of a softer landing.

I think a fine line is being walked pretty well, frankly.

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Quote: Bulliac "
Jeez, there's no-one hopes I'm wrong more than me but I can't see beyond us being lined up for division 2.'"


Without new ownership, I think that is pretty much inevitable.

I'm not going to sugar-coat it, but it is something to start from - debt-free and with some basic infrastructure in place.

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Quote: Bulliac "But the logistics of it mean exactly that. At the end of the month the (best of) the players will be gone (and I don't blame them) along with the already (technically) gone coaching staff, whilst we can sign no-one (not that many would come, I know) so where is our SL team and coaching staff to come from?

Even with a new owner there will only be the sick, lame and lazy left to recruit after everyone else has signed the ones they want. Yeah OK , maybe I exaggerate a bit but we'd be in exactly the sort of position that the RFL stopped P&R and started licensing to avoid; teams coming into SL without being able to recruit properly and then getting stuffed every week.

Jeez, there's no-one hopes I'm wrong more than me but I can't see beyond us being lined up for division 2.'"


Spot on , you had what was it , 6/7 weeks to find a new owner ? , game over now , the RFL will be actively seeking your replacements in the remaining weeks till the end of the season , expect Mick potter and the aussies to be wearing Olympic Bleau next year

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Firstly I can see no further point in BullBuilder meeting Blake Solly again> There is no power of negotiation. It is a done deal already, our fate is decided??

Can someone explain how BB had talks with BS, when apparently the consortiums involved do not appear to have had the opportunity to begin proper negotiations.With so much at stake, Blake Solly is saying what you wish to hear. There is no way they are going to find a new buyer in October, what will there be to BUY?
No ground, no coaching staff, no players because they will have secured their futures elsewhere (no one can blame them for that) Championship Rugby(if lucky)semi professional players, no TV rights or exposure for the foreseeable future. And £72000 per year rental that is unaffordable, With any outstanding debts levied by the RFL as their remaining payments from our Super League status, when they owned us as a club.

BULLBUILDER THINK AGAIN> We know everything you do is for the best possible reason, but we are fighting an intransigent opponent, who has already removed three possible lifelines to our future.

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Why would anyone - other than those with closed minds or agendas - not want to listen, when someone in a position to have something to say talks?

Solly spoke to us because we asked him.

Speaking for myself, if he WAS to be saying what people wish to hear, is that any different to what many of the other players in this sorry saga have been doing over recent months? Who ELSE would you not wish the public to hear? And why? Maybe you should credit the fans with enough intelligence to form their own views, rather than be told who they can and cannot listen to, and who they can and cannot speak to?

And again speaking for myself, I think we'll carry on talking with anyone who wishes to talk to us, if you don't mind?

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