Wondering if the live monitoring of the salary cap extends to being able to see which players have viagogo or seatwave accounts, and just how much inclome they derive from that? Not that I am insinuating anything untoward, or suggesting foul play. in fact, dont know why that though entered my head.

Maybe its from reading comments on twitter, attributed to current SL players regarding the availability of tickets for the SJM concerts promoted upcoming stone roses gigs, and the possibility that perhaps some Warrington players might be able to help them acquire some. Or maybe not!

Was that when he was laid there with Bridges elbow in his throat? Or a different time?

As I undertsand it a club owner could get a third party to pay a player or a player's partner for "services rendered". It would be taxable and fair enough in terms of UK law but never come within a mile of being audited by the RFL for salary cap purposes.

The result is that the salary cap audit says the club is under the cap. Meanwhile players and their partners receive loads extra from other sources for "non playing activities".

I've nothing against payment made to players when it's obvious where they come from. With Tomkins that seems fairly straightforward. It's where a side has internationals in every position, comes in under the cap yet those players seemingly have no other sources of income that I and others get suspicious.

The salary cap auditor has discretion to include anything else that looks like part of a player's package (can't quote the exact Rule this minute but will if required later). If it looks like a payment to a player, and it walks like a payment to a player, and it quacks like a payment to a player, then it probably IS a payment to a player - sort of idea. In the case of Harris, for example, it seems the SC auditor DID determine there was a connection to the club from image rights paid by an unconnected third party.

The hard part is identifying the payment in the first place (although a club should have no reason not to disclose a genuine third-party image rights deal for a Tomkins-type player), and then establishing a connection to the club.

Genuine third party deals are fine under the cap rules.

Where the deal is arranged by the club for the player, especially where the third party might otherwise have become a club sponsor or similar anyway, then it starts to get very grey, I suggest?

And if - heaven forbid - a wealthy club owner should get his mate to set the player's missus up in a lucrative job, or pay the player's personal services company a shedload for his image rights or whatever, and then said club owner sees his mate right in some other deal...well what do you think?

And as for a wealthy club owner paying monies to players or otherwise remunerating them out of one of his other business interests, and not disclosing that to the SC auditor, well that would be just beyond the Pale, would it not.

Thankfully, we can rest assured that all club owners and investors are honourable people, who would never wish to be considerd unsporting or cheats, and so would never stoop to such tactics. Otherwise we'd see a very unlevel playing field in the game.

Incidentally Sam, scrub that silly idea of it being taxable. If its for an overseas player, said player will invariably be a non-dom unless he puts dowm pretty permanent roots here. That means that a club - or a third party - can pay the player's offshore personal services company (resident in Bermuda or Guernsey or Grand Cayman or wherever) for the player's services (of any nature, but usually its things like image rights), and as long as the player does not draw income from the company AND remit it to the UK, he escapes UK tax and NIC. Because whilst he is resident for UK tax purposes he is a non-domiciled and therefore only taxable on income earned in the UK or remitted to the UK.

And then, just as he has permanently left the UK on his way back home, but BEFORE he lands back home, get the old Singapore Sling out and wang the money back home ahead of him. So it lands back home before the player becomes resident for tax purposes again back home, and so he escapes tax there too. (they may have stopped the simplistic devices now, but there will be others).

If a few thickie Bradfordians can work their ways around it I am sure the RFL & successful business people running clubs can do also Whether it exists or not I don't really care as long as the options are avaialble to all. It's the fact you don't have a sugar daddy that is the issue here Dude, not the bending of the rules.

I suggest the issue is more one of trying to explain to those (IMO) naïve folk who slag the club off -for "spending the full cap" on the squad we have, which is clearly weaker than that of some other teams also "spending the full cap" - that things are not necessarily as they seem?

Everything is equal though, isn't it Adey? If not, there would be great and obvious discrepancy in the strengths of the various squads under regimes with 'extra' financial input and those without, would there not?

Indeed it is, my friend. Everything is very definitely equal.

And four legs are good, two legs are better too...

Is there any difference to how the cap is policed in Australia to the UK? It seems that in the NRL cap payments are subject to greater scrutiny, with breaches being dealt with with greater severity. Could we ever see under the present live-cap system, for example, a team being retrospectively being stripped of title(s) a la Melbourne?

Is it just the case of the RFL not having enough money to effectively investigate clubs possibly making some of the more iffy third-party payments?

I seem to recall there is a limit in the NRL on how much a player can receive from third parties?

Not that Storm seemed to pay much attention to it...?

No.

But there is only one sport, as far as I can see, where some people THINK parity exists.

I don't think anybody thinks parity exists in rugby league, salary cap or not, but there's more cyclical movement in rugby league than in other sports.

Fans of teams at the bottom of the league always want parity with those at the top. Did you think it was fair on us when you were signing guys like Henry Paul and Vainikolo and putting the awesome foursome on the park? I was always having a whinge about the salary cap on the old Bulls messageboard back then ( Jiffys Wires )

Since then I've ditched my Che Guevara t shirt and taken the attitude the working class can kiss my ass, the plebs need to 'aspire to get richer'. It's always fun telling the Wigan fans that one when they complain about Warrington signing someone

Those at the top will always look to exercise lobbying power to keep things that way, if anybody ever suggests changing the cap or toughening it up the line comes out about how rugby league faces extinction because of union signing all our players, its for the good of protecting the game that we have rich teams using their financial advantage...

It's no different from the bankers lobbying to prevent tighter regulation or higher tax by saying if we go to Switzerland the UK economy will be in ruins.