We're getting the usual debate here that crops up at this point every year.

I don't think its unreasonable to hold off buying a Season Ticket until we know for certain which division we are going to be in.

Otherwise it's a bit like buying a ticket for the theatre with the hope of seeing a touring West End production, but with the possibility that what you'll actually get is a local Amateur Dramatic show.

Well, I am here to be sold to. I've had a season ticket since the late 60s and never missed, but now I might. If the club sell me the idea of a 2018 ticket then I'm in. Will they try? I don't know. It may not be their fault, they probably don't even know what league, or thus what funding, we may be financially stiffed again by the Tribunal, so how can they sensibly budget it? But, sales is different. Sell 2018 to me.

Same here.

I dont have a problem if some people want (and can afford) to get an ST now; but if the rest of us dont want (or are not yet ready) to get a ST now - just accept it - you wont convince us with "you must be loyal......stand by your team......they need you......" give over we've been had for mugs too many times now

The one thing I have found surprising is the amount of people thinking the ticket is expensive. The terrace ticket is 9 pounds more expensive than York this coming year. Yet we are running a squad with a few full time players and as paulwalker71 said the academy structure too. I dont blame anyone for waiting because you then make a choice to purchase on what you know what you will get for your money as opposed to sitting and wishing for the best

Cash flow. The question was asked elsewhere, why would anyone be optimistic about the club, and my answer is that we have got to this part of the season without 10 smarts coming on the forum telling us that the tea lady hasn't been paid, etc. That is an indication (not proof) that cloth has been cut. And whilst clearly there are those that will wait to buy their season tickets, there are also those that will buy now. You don't pay people with profits, you pay them with cash. so I would not begrudge the management a brief holiday from continually juggling cash, they need to be focusing on next seasons squad.

For me it's about the comparison to this season's ticket prices. It's not the cost itself. Can I afford it? Yes. But the person who has set this price is telling us that they want us to pay the same amount for a season in a lower division with potentially less games. After years and years of being told I have to pay a premium for the squad to be good, and it not being any good, I'm at the end of my tether. So to now be asked to pay the same amount for a lesser product (again, I mean opposition, not our own squad), is the final straw for me.

If a restructure happens and we end up in the Championship, I'll buy a season ticket. Because it's the same price for the same benefit, which is fine. But IMO if you are offering a lesser product, it should cost less than the better product. If it doesn't, I feel like I'm being ripped off. And I've had just about enough of being ripped off in the last few years.

I find it strange that people complain about having to, "pay for a team".

I mean, I guess they realise that running a team costs money and [isomeone[/i has to pay that money or the team won't exist. From what we've heard so far, the owners don't seem to have enough to fund it and our long lost Sugar Daddy seems unlikely to turn up any time soon. Which leaves? Well, I agree it's more usual for a business to shell out and then charge the customer to buy the product, but in this case the business hasn't got the funding, so I guess it's 'crowd funding' or nothing.

My major caveat is the case to be heard in January. I feel far less inclined to fund our former owners than the current ones and once this bag of worms is out of the way would maybe be the time to look at it? Assuming, we haven't hocked the lot to pay off the legal fees..

I find it strange that people repeatedly miss the point I'm making, but hey ho.

Totally understandable viewpoint. Everyone will have differing views and there is no right and wrong just whats best on a personal level for the individual and what they feel they are getting from it

No, your point is clear and eloquently expressed, Dilligaf.

I can understand people taking this attitude - my own position, all be it for different reasons, is a bit vague too. However my point (which you seem to have missed?) is that there is no-one else going to pay and when push comes to shove, if WE, the fans, don't pay, there will be no club, 'cos sure as hell no-one else is going to.

Apologies, I was unnecessarily crude in my response.

I get your point entirely. That's why in one of my earlier posts, I said well done to those who are willing to give up their money and keep financing the club. I even said they'll be the ones that keep it alive.

The problem is that there are lot of fans who as well as being lovers of the club, also need to see what they're getting for their money. And when the line keeps getting trotted out from various areas that the fans will have to be the ones paying for the team (as much as it's obvious, as without fans, the club has no money), it gets old. The club isn't a charity, as much as some people will no doubt see it as such. It's a business that needs to offer it's customers value for money. If the prices are wrong, then just like any other business, they will lose customers and miss out on that money. If McDonalds suddenly started charging £20 for every item on their menu, they soon wouldn't have any customers and would soon be out of business. And if the club get the price wrong, and fans don't purchase because of that, there is only one person to blame, and it certainly isn't the fan (customer) not paying the money.

The club has relied for far too long on the fans' love, loyalty and even guilt. They need to start realising that it's not a neverending well and slowly but surely everyone is going to hit their limit on that. Then they'll regret not treating their fans as customers instead of charity donators.

I probably took far too long to make a very small point there, but such is my style...

The point you have made to me previously is essentially "If you want the fans to finance the club, that's fine. But do your bit first and play fair, rather than just coming to me cap in hand"

Everyone knows that without a rich owner it's down to the fans and sponsors to finance the club. However it's down to the owner to sell the club to attract fans and sponsors. Very few people will stump up no matter what. Certainly not enough to get close to breaking even.

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If the club have ANY, even vague, hope of getting close to 3000 Season Ticket sales they are simply going to HAVE to do more than appealing to 'you should be glad to have a club after all the crap over the last few years'