I think its partly about money, yes.

But surely there's more to it with Toronto? Signing for Toronto is an adventure, a project that has something fresh and new about it. It involves living part of the year in a buzzing and vibrant city in Canada, and being part of something that could break the mould of rugby league as we know it.

You'd have to agree, surely, that this represents a more exciting and interesting prospect than signing up for a busted fallen giant that has recent history of not paying it's employees, and has training in the cold and wet Bradford weather?

Or to put it more simply. If a player is offered exactly the same money to join Toronto or the Bulls, which do you think they'd choose?

And a perfectly timed confirmation of this view point from Ryan Brierley

rlhttps://www.theguardian.com/sport/no-helmets-required/2017/jul/18/ryan-brierley-toronto-wolfpack-rugby-league-leigh-huddersfield-giants?CMP

I think it's all about the "Vision".

I would imagine it would be just as easy to sell the packing of getting the Bulls back to the top, with the promise of a super competitive team, with the guaranteed backing of finance. We are a brand, that still holds a place in the recent greats.

Also worth remembering these players that are going to Toronto for a wedge of cash, can't admit that, so an "Adventure" is the next best excuse.

At the same salary, with same "safe" rich owners, i'd expect the Bulls to be just as attractive, if not more so (think about players with families) than the Toronto project.

I've made a similar point before. Obviously the difference between us and Toronto is minted vs skint, but as a challenge, it was always very predictable that they'd have a great season in C1 as the big exotic dig, and create a great buzz about the place. Had the RFL let us do C1, we'd have had a similar big-dog year, all else being equal, and I think everyone would've had a positive year, and would've been a years prep for Champonship, for which we'd then have been at least better equipped. Whereas if we go down, everyone's on a major downer and it won't be easy to recover

Unless, of course, we hit some Toronto style backing as the money will talk as to who stays and comes next year. But that doesn't seem to be our style

If we had been in C1 this season it might possibly have interfered with Toronto's promotion, but I am sure that never came into consideration?

Totally agree that could be a big worry. Ultimately it depends whether the negotiations have been, please try keep us up by right and if not you are free to go. Or whether it went this is the plan of what will happen are you in or not? Like hamster chops said the total lack of information to the fans leaves everyone in a state of unknown. But is this the conversations the players have had. It's easy for the injury reports to say Dane Chisholm will be back next year but that again asks more questions than answers available.

On a side note been looking on the KR forum about them signing Mose masoe for the 8s and seeing snippets of people saying they have been promised a SL spot for next year! Yet nobody jumps on the back of that calling them RFL love child's etc.

Ultimately as long as people do what's in the clubs interests and not personal gain (odsal lease coming up etc) for me that's all we can ask for. But for all the cloak and daggers it's difficult to nail down if the intention of bringing us back to a respectable level with no worry of bankcruptcy etc. Is it so much to ask just a sippet of info sayin we will be ok in in champ or league 1

Anyone seen that Jack Walker has rejected his full-time contract offer at Leeds as they won't guarantee he'll be playing Full Back ... get onto him!

Going to wire next year by all accounts. Looks like another Curtis Naughton. Bags of ability and potential but demanding to be starting full back. Ridiculous thing to do at 17 years of age. Think he would look at how McGuire and Burrow conducted themselves in their careers.

Word on the Leeds board is that their initial offer to him for a new contract was £10k. I think I'd have told them where to go as well! Disgraceful offer that.

All this talk about end of season clear out? Mostly the squad we have are still not ready physically but have loads of talent and potential bit like throwing the baby out with the bath water.it only needs a small spark to lite a big fire.two hard as nails props and a really smart old head scrum half with a full off season to work together,it's definitely old heads and a bit of biff . The things that have disappointed me is the lack of investment and Communications from the owners.I think things will improve next season whatever the division . Don't know what other supporters think but the RFL haven't done us any favours?

Don't be silly! We're RFL's pets. Just ask any Huddersfax Trinity-Cougar fans..........

Proper little jailer's pet, aren't we? Brilliant race the Romans....