Nobody seems to know for sure if John actually wants to be a first team coach.

I'd sooner he stay where he's done so well up to now. Horses for courses and all that. We need to ask if we're serious about getting promoted. The coaching appointment will be key to attracting decent talent, which makes me concerned about the lackadaisical manner we seem to be treating the Toovey staying or going situation.

Indeed, but the question isn't "Is he the Sp[ecial One right now". We're gonna be a pretty ropey 3rd division outfit and won't have a queue of decent applicants. We should never have let Morrison go, I had him down as joining our coaching setup and cutting his teeth gradually.

I don't dispute he's not cracked any pots but I'm making an assessment as a bloke and as a player. Asa player he commanded respect, and as a bloke he spoke very well and seemed to have plenty of idea and front and grey matter. So I reckon he could make a decent coach.

Plus, there is no doubt he will have had the opportunity to have learned from his mistakes in coaching, granted, peoplle do not always learn from their mistakes but I think he's clever enough to have done, and would likely do things differently next time round. Which is after all prety much the same basis as most decent soccer managers stay on the merrygoround. They all get sacked, but it doesn't make them crap.

Like you say, he's not achieved coaching greatness so will come cheap. Plus, he's got Odsal history and must have some sentiment for the place and the fans. Might be a good stepping stone for him and I don't know how much better we could reasonably aim.

Well who'd have thought we'd have got Geoff Toovey with a 57.6% win ratio in the NRL? I understand we'll hardly be an attractive proposition but his appointment last year was so out of leftfield as to make me wonder.

Having said that I suspect Toovey is here partly down to a connection with Graham Lowe being a former protege. I also suspect that once Toovey is gone Chalmers will be setting his sights as low as possible in terms of cost though I still have a tiny kernel of hope he'll prove me wrong.

At the end of the day you can have an ace coach but if the squad is made up of players that nobody wants then you're going to get stuffed. So far we have Gibson, Lee Smith and Hallas under contract for next year. Over to you Chalmers, get on with it...

I don't think we should be expecting a L1 standard coach. That would be wrong.
We need to assume the club are expecting to get promotion quickly. That is a must for me.
As for not being able to attract decent coaches I think we would be surprised if we got to know if the time comes.
We need a coach who after the hoped for promotion and we then find ourselves back in a strong championship we must have a coach that can perform at that level not just at L1.
I would expect coaches to see it that way - get the Bulls back up and then they are in a different position altogether. That is why I would expect experienced coaches to apply. We do have good training facilities. The owner has stated that the youth and second team set up will be improved. The job will be full time as some players will be. yes we start the season as a L1 club but after 6 months we may be starting to build for Championship rugby so yes, we do need a coach that can do the higher league as well as get us there.
I don't expect Toovey to stay but do expect a coach who can coach next year and hopefully the next few years after that which may involve promotion and then hopefully a successful licence application.

Hi Guys, I come in peace not sure if you have seen this but on the sky sports website but if you read the peice on the NRL round up there is a comment that Toovey might be in line for the NSW blues coaching role next year. Be a bit of a move up from Championship to State of Origin.

Not trolling but do you think Toovey is up to SOO Level?

Yes he is. It has been a baptism of fire for Geoff Toovey and with the right selection of players - playing against similar grades of RL he will be fine. He didn't stand a chance with young players against seasoned players - loan players who were taken back at crucial times and a 12 pt deduction.

I don't know why we are asking this question, because he will leave no matter what is posted

I definitely think he has the right attributes for origin. Lets be honest if Walters can get the Queensland job after his time in Catalans Toovey certainly can

Have you seen his record at Manly in the NRL? Of course he's good enough for Origin. NSW have appointed far less experienced coaches than him up to now. What had Laurie Daley done to get the job?

Slightly puzzling question, to be honest.

I don't think there is any question that he can guide a top quality side to victories - that is clearly something he can do very well and indeed, already has. What he's not done, so far in his career, is get a very poor side to play better or even improve slightly. Agree that it's been a far from easy ride at the Bulls, in fact it the been the sort of job I wouldn't have wished on anybody, but he accepted it and unsurprisingly, as I it would have been an extremely big ask for anyone, he hasn't covered himself in glory. That doesn't reflect even remotely on what he does best, imo.

What's gone on this year is irrelevant to Toovey's CV, even JC wouldn't have prevented us from being regularly crucified.

Would be useful for turning the rain at Odsal into Beer though. And feeding the 2,000 crowd with the 4 packets of crisps they stock behind the bar.

He's good enough for Leeds to trust their 'future talent' with and lets be fair, the job he did with Lilley he was asked to repeat with Aston.

I hope he stays.

Whether he is the right man is not the question anymore I am more interested in how long the owners allow the situation to drag on.