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The way I read todays Argus, the appeal won't be heard before next week and the Magic Weekend. Then they will no doubt have to deliberate before releasing their decision. Incredible - they have known the appeal was coming and its still takes all this time to set up. Pi** ups and breweries spring to mind.
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My opinion for what its worth is that if the Admin is proved to be a Force Majeure event as claimed then we get all six back, if not we get none.
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Force Majeure
[French, A superior or irresistible power.] An event that is a result of the elements of nature, as opposed to one caused by human behavior.
The term force majeure relates to the law of insurance and is frequently used in construction contracts to protect the parties in the event that a segment of the contract cannot be performed due to causes that are outside the control of the parties, such as natural disasters, that could not be evaded through the exercise of due care.
Not having a pop by the way but looked up the definition how does this fit.
My view is sort it on the pitch others including Wakey have gone into admin but not got 6 points so you may get some back I am not in the no points back camp it wouldn't bother me if you got all 6 back like I say the talking needs to be done on the pitch
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Careful, or people with no interest in the thread might oddly start coming on to say they are bored.
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| Quote: Bulliac "I think we should get 8. That includes an extra 2 for all the pain and distress we've suffered due this iniquitous punishment.'"
On that basis if its not overturned you agree to an increase? |
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| Quote: HalifaxCougar "On that basis if its not overturned you agree to an increase?'"
We would, if it was possible, but it isn't. Those are the rules. Sorry. |
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Quote: REDWHITEANDBLUE "Force Majeure
[French, A superior or irresistible power.] An event that is a result of the elements of nature, as opposed to one caused by human behavior.
The term force majeure relates to the law of insurance and is frequently used in construction contracts to protect the parties in the event that a segment of the contract cannot be performed due to causes that are outside the control of the parties, such as natural disasters, that could not be evaded through the exercise of due care.
Not having a pop by the way but looked up the definition how does this fit.
My view is sort it on the pitch others including Wakey have gone into admin but not got 6 points so you may get some back I am not in the no points back camp it wouldn't bother me if you got all 6 back like I say the talking needs to be done on the pitch'"
I'm no legal expert, but I don't think it just cover acts of god,
"Force majeure is generally intended to include risks beyond the reasonable control of a party, incurred not as a product or result of the negligence or malfeasance of a party, which have a materially adverse effect on the ability of such party to perform its obligations, as where non-performance is caused by the usual and natural consequences of external forces "
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It can also include labour disputes I believe, either way, mr green doesn't strike me as the type to waste time on something if he thought he didn't at least have a point to discuss. He's also made it clear he's happy to except any judgement from the panel, at least our case will have been heard correctly. And I agree it should be decided on the pitch, but after an independent panel decides if the 6 pts taken from us off the pitch was correct punishment.
On the poll, it is interesting to note the difference to the one on the vt. On that one it was overwelheming for the worst available outcome. On here where obviously there is more a bulls slanted view it's a more balanced outcome, with some of our visiting friends still choosing the worst available outcome, which was changed in this one to one thankfully not available to the panel. Looking at the two polls, I'd guess most people agree with a points deduction of some sort, with non bulls fans favouring the 6 or higher, with bulls fans hoping for a more lenient 4 or lower.....hardly surprising. |
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Quote: REDWHITEANDBLUE "Force Majeure
[French, A superior or irresistible power.] An event that is a result of the elements of nature, as opposed to one caused by human behavior.
The term force majeure relates to the law of insurance and is frequently used in construction contracts to protect the parties in the event that a segment of the contract cannot be performed due to causes that are outside the control of the parties, such as natural disasters, that could not be evaded through the exercise of due care.
Not having a pop by the way but looked up the definition how does this fit.
My view is sort it on the pitch others including Wakey have gone into admin but not got 6 points so you may get some back I am not in the no points back camp it wouldn't bother me if you got all 6 back like I say the talking needs to be done on the pitch'"
I'm no legal expert, but I don't think it just cover acts of god,
"Force majeure is generally intended to include risks beyond the reasonable control of a party, incurred not as a product or result of the negligence or malfeasance of a party, which have a materially adverse effect on the ability of such party to perform its obligations, as where non-performance is caused by the usual and natural consequences of external forces "
ppp.worldbank.org
It can also include labour disputes I believe, either way, mr green doesn't strike me as the type to waste time on something if he thought he didn't at least have a point to discuss. He's also made it clear he's happy to except any judgement from the panel, at least our case will have been heard correctly. And I agree it should be decided on the pitch, but after an independent panel decides if the 6 pts taken from us off the pitch was correct punishment.
On the poll, it is interesting to note the difference to the one on the vt. On that one it was overwelheming for the worst available outcome. On here where obviously there is more a bulls slanted view it's a more balanced outcome, with some of our visiting friends still choosing the worst available outcome, which was changed in this one to one thankfully not available to the panel. Looking at the two polls, I'd guess most people agree with a points deduction of some sort, with non bulls fans favouring the 6 or higher, with bulls fans hoping for a more lenient 4 or lower.....hardly surprising. | |
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This poll is supposed to be about what we THINK will happen. Whereas the bigot filth scum hate poll on vt is about what the poisonous beast scutters WANT to happen.
That's my neutral take on it anyway.
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| As BBNL haven't had their business plan appraised in order for the RFL to decide on what would be a suitable sanction in light of BBNL's proposals (if any) re old creditors/HMRC, the whole thing is just the biggest feckup imaginable. The RFL seem to continue to make it up as they go along.
2 points back is my forecast, as I don't know what on earth the grounds are, but my reasoning is that the RFL changed from zero points to 6 points out of spite for MM prematurely announcing no deduction, and therefore similarly they will want to spite Wakey for their chairman trying to exert pressure and influence the outcome.
And it would be nice to take back off them the 2 they scored at Hull  |
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There are no grounds for the six points deduction to be changed. The Club is appealing basically because there is no downside; the sanction cannot be increased - so nothing to lose by appealing. ProbAbly. But I expect that the RFL is not too pleased with the HKR Chairman's decision to appeal his penalty. Should have just took it like the Hull Chairman.
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| I plan to foist myself onto the boards of any other clubs that get into this sort of bother in future, particularly if it's Wakey or Keighley.
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| Quote: Wooden Stand "There are no grounds for the six points deduction to be changed. ....'"
How do you know? Have you seen and considered the appeal papers? If so, how did you get access to them, and will you publish the grounds here so we can see for ourselves? |
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| Quote: Wooden Stand "There are no grounds for the six points deduction to be changed. The Club is appealing basically because there is no downside; the sanction cannot be increased - so nothing to lose by appealing. ProbAbly. But I expect that the RFL is not too pleased with the HKR Chairman's decision to appeal his penalty. Should have just took it like the Hull Chairman.'"
Apart from the fact that we are a cash strapped club and it's costing [ius[/i money. I've no problem with that, but to say that we are just doing it because we can and it's no skin off our nose is somewhat disingenuous. No change there then!  |
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| Quote: Bullseye "I plan to foist myself onto the boards of any other clubs that get into this sort of bother in future, particularly if it's Wakey or Keighley.
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more when than if imo.
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| Quote: Bullseye "I plan to foist myself onto the boards of any other clubs that get into this sort of bother in future, particularly if it's Wakey or Keighley.
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Considering that neither set of sanctimonious bum holes can claim their club never went in to admin and had RFL buy a stake in their ground or had a loan from RFL. The crap they come out with is laughable.
I can not wait until they go bust again which they both will at some stage. I'm going to write to League Express about my outrage and everything.
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