Yeah all teams wanna finish top and win the playoffs however this is not the same has winning promotion to a higher league. All fans want there teams to be successful and to have the best players. Big difference between winning playoffs and being promoted to higher league than winning playoffs and playing the same teams every year.

Super league is a closed shop unless your face fits and you have loads of money a nice ground and oh added bonus of being in Wales or London.

Promotion and demotion brings excitement to the game, look at the premier league and football.

Championship has 14 teams next season so more games more revenue at least it will be different but it's not the same when you know that your teams in that league because there's no promotion or demotion and your not there on merit.

The bulls are in a mess and I do generally feel sorry for the fans, but to say the bulls must stay up in super league because they have 10000 fans is a double standard.

Dubane makes a very valid point that trying to promote the game beneath SL is very difficult.
Crowds would be better in the Championship if there was a real prize of promotion, and i still remember what a cracking spectacle Cas and Wakey served up many years ago in a relegation dogfight.
Clubs will be mismanaged whether P&R exists or not, so on the stability argument, Licsensing is always going to fail. If its aim is stagnation then it will succeed.

Would it not be better for the bottom placed team in SL to play the winner of the championship in a match before the GF say in a winner takes all match, and who ever wins will be in SL next season. We have seen that some of the top championship teams can stand toe to toe with the lower SL teams should I say

The problem the RFL have with promotion/relegation is that this will put pressure on them to let the Bronco's go.

If London are ever relegated, I can't see them keeping their, already small, fan base. If promotion/relegation comes into play, London will be in contention for relegation almost every year.

I'm not saying it's right or not, but the RFL won't want to lose another expansion club. Again, imagine if Catalans had a bad year and went down, the RFL would be in a bit of a pickle!

In a way that would be a good competition as some Championship teams have had good results against the lower Superleague teams, but it would hardly be a level playing field. The Superleague club would be all full time players with a huge salary cap whilst the Championship club would be made up of mostly part time players on a small cap.

I do sort of see what they are trying to do with Licencing as the promoted team more often than not took a lot of players from the relegated team, so the net effect wasnt fantastic, but its the way that Licencing has been approached that riles a lot of non superleague fans. It would have been more paletable if the RFL had just come out and said that they only want big city clubs to expand and the likes of Featherstone and Halifax just do not fit with their views of expansion, then we could just get on with what we do.

In a way that would be a good competition as some Championship teams have had good results against the lower Superleague teams, but it would hardly be a level playing field. The Superleague club would be all full time players with a huge salary cap whilst the Championship club would be made up of mostly part time players on a small cap.

I do sort of see what they are trying to do with Licencing as the promoted team more often than not took a lot of players from the relegated team, so the net effect wasnt fantastic, but its the way that Licencing has been approached that riles a lot of non superleague fans. It would have been more paletable if the RFL had just come out and said that they only want big city clubs to expand and the likes of Featherstone and Halifax just do not fit with their views of expansion, then we could just get on with life in the lower leagues.

Dont think i made my point very clear bob, i mean if the winner of the championship plays the relegated team in from the SL in a one off match before the GF, then who ever wins will play in super league next season.

Parachute payment for the loser and cash injection for the winner as a carrot on the end of this stick as it where