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| i like it that its in walking distance from wetherspoons
no seriously i think its a great stadium and well worthy of sl ... but fax fans really hate bradford , everywhere i went since arriving in fax on sunday dinnertime me and the girlfriend were chanted at , and when arriving at the ground it was the same crap down there fax fan's moaning like hell that we got a freebie but the best was stood in the south stand surrounded by p*ssed up fan's slagging us off , swearing like they had torret's , proper going off it when sibbet needed treating for a head injury .. even a old boy saying to us as we wait for a taxi ( good luck in the next round your going to f*cking need it ) .. tell me something i don't know !!
the chant half are you are halifax !!!! can someone please expain this to me as ive no idea what this is all about ???
but for one minute im not saying all fax fan's are like this but the one's i were around were ... ( how can i but it .. erh jerks )
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| Fax official blog says they outnumbered us. Also, they won the last game at Thrum
Hall 26-6.
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| Quote: mightybulls "i like it that its in walking distance from wetherspoons
i think you shouls take it with a pinch of salt. in the pubs beforehand people seemed to mingle pretty well
i dont think theres much genuine hate there.
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| Half of you are Halifax is based on a misunderstanding of the fact that when times are hard for a RL club, people sod off down the garden centre or wherever. Fax seemed to think their missing thousands had decamped en masse to Odsal.
Always thought the obvious retort was "all of you are Halifax" but we don't sing so it's academic really.
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| Bradford did fantastically well at attracting new young supporters 10 -12 years ago, many of whom were from Calderdale
this hacked off a fair few Fax fans but it is not the fault of the bulls you just did a better job and were sucessful at it
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| Quote: Bullseye "Could be, but more likely it's some players are just better at it than others. Once we miss enough tackles and the score starts to blow out the heads then drop and we concede further and in the end we aren't in the tackle in numbers at all, everyone starts to play as an individual. The Salford game was a classic example. We started both halves ok with fairly solid defence but after a few mistakes it spiralled out of control and the defence went like Swiss cheese.
It probably does come down to coaching and looks to me again like the team not defending as a unit or communicating enough. A team that doesn't talk in defence is always asking for it. Whatever, the players don't seem to have confidence at the moment.'"
Just a quick thought on the defence, (probably mentioned elsewhere but I don't have the time to read all the threads these days so sorry)
I'm just editing the U20's Vs Saints game (high scoring loss BTW ) and for the third time in four weeks we shipped 2 or 3 back to back tries, being unable to stop a team going the full length and scoring on consecutive sets without us touching the ball seems to be an attitude and organisational problem as it keeps happening. And I'm guessing they use the same defensive structures (or lack of) as the first team. Confidence and working as a group in defence seems to disappear quickly under any pressure and we don't work hard enough from marker in either U20's or 1st team.
Not sure of the solution other than hard work on the training pitch, but consistency in the players around you would help, a lot of our combinations in the back row, in the halves, in the outside backs have been in constant flux for one reason or antoher, which can't help. As soon as we get players playing consistantly with each other they might start trusting the man alongside and work a bit harder?? It won't turn them into world beaters, but it could make us harder to play against. All easier said than done to fix it of course.
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| Prior to Bullmania, when Fax were a big club, it was my favourite ground to visit with Cas. We would always sit in the seats & be guaranteed good company & debate. I don't ever remember good natured winding up, it was so pleasant. I once went on my own with Cas after I had moved to Bradford & was stood on the terrace opposite the seats. The Fax fans around me got me in on the chat & one old lad asked how I was getting back, I said I was walking back to the station. He went out of his way & drove me back there. It would be terrible if those sorts of fans no longer go to matches.
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| I enjoyed going to the Shay, cracking little stadium. I hope they get the other stand sorted out, it's a perfect RL stadium.
Unfortunately I'm friends with some Halifax fans so I cop for my fair share of banter. It would be good to see them back in SL for regular games.
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| Quote: Bullseye "I think that the players do genuinely go out there to give 100% but as soon as things get tough it starts to fall apart. Every player is guilty of making poor decisions in defence or getting knocked off too easily, same as how when we beat Cas every player could claim to have worked hard and defended well.
The patacake we played versus Fax, Warrington and Salford looked to me like a team playing as a bunch of individuals. Versus Wire and Salford those individual seemed resigned to defeat and went through the motions. I don't think anyone can escape blame for that.
To name one player, L'Strange, makes an awful lot of attempted tackles and puts in a lot of effort. I do wonder sometimes though if that's misdirected sometimes or if either he or his teammates are capable of working together to do better in defence.'"
I pretty much agree with that. I think you can add in the point that after they miss a few tackles they become frightened of making even more mistakes so are, maybe, reluctant to get involved? That's not being lazy or not fit it's mental attitude. There does seem to be a lack of trust between defenders too, but that's hardly surprising given the way we are playing.
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| I think we've probably got a bit too used to losing or things not going our way so it becomes a self fulfilling prophecy. Potter's trying to build a winning culture but it won't happen overnight and it requires all the players to work a lot harder to get out of this hole.
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| Quote: Bullseye " it requires all the players to work a lot harder to get out of this hole.'"
Is that Bradford or the bottom of SL to which you refer?
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| Quote: Bullseye "I think we've probably got a bit too used to losing or things not going our way so it becomes a self fulfilling prophecy. Potter's trying to build a winning culture but it won't happen overnight and it requires all the players to work a lot harder to get out of this hole.'"
Sadly, your argument bears all the hallmarks of being irrefutable.
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Without dredging up up an old topic I read this piece from Nobby
www.halifaxcourier.co.uk/sport/h ... _1_3372417
The part where he worked under Brian Smith & Matty Elliot made a salient point re when Macca took over he hadn't got any one looking over his shoulder on a day to day basis and reminded me of Wayne Bennetts philosophy that a Head Coach needs 5-7 years as an assistant beforehand!
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Without dredging up up an old topic I read this piece from Nobby
www.halifaxcourier.co.uk/sport/h ... _1_3372417
The part where he worked under Brian Smith & Matty Elliot made a salient point re when Macca took over he hadn't got any one looking over his shoulder on a day to day basis and reminded me of Wayne Bennetts philosophy that a Head Coach needs 5-7 years as an assistant beforehand!
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| Nobby talks a lot of sense. Any team that has him on board in some capacity is better for it.
You can be confident Halifax will turn things around.
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