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Quote: Ferocious Aardvark "So do I. Whilst you can't blame the guy for trying to protect his own financial interests, seems to me he clearly wouldn't be doing it if he knew he was well in line for a recall to first team action.

I also don't think people should under-estimate the disruptive effect of having paid a considerable amount of money to a fairly major signing which has through no fault of the Bulls gone so pear shaped.
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Now dont you go offering sensible reasons why some things aren't the clubs fault. As well as it being the clubs fault that we appear to have suffered an unrecoverable injury to a very well paid back - money we could use to recruit a half back or other good back, I think its clearly Maccas fault the power steering pump had gone on my Focus, damn him.

On the tribunal I suspect we would all try similar actions to protect 18 months worth of good earnings. I hope when he does move on he can recover his fitness and find a place in another club and can continue his career, as he has potential as parts of his try record shows - played 9 scored 6 for us in 2007 and 15 in 25 games for the Broncos in 2006.

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Fantastic. Haven't you got enough McNamara-is-crap threads without gratuitously trying to turn this into one?
Chill. It was meant as a humourous aside icon_rolleyes.gif

On the matter of Tupou, it seems to me that the club are looking to cut their losses, both from a point of view of saving on the salary cap, and in terms of getting rid of a player who isn't really offering anything - and seems unlikely to do so.

Whilst he obviously has talent, and is a big brute of a man, there has to be question marks about whether he really has the heart and the commitment to really succeed. How often does he run and tackle in a way which takes advantage of his physical presence?

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Quote: paulwalker71 "Chill. It was meant as a humourous aside '"

You're new, and maybe I over-reacted, it's just that for some months now it seemed for a while that every thread, even on say Patagonian agriculture, was gatecrashed by fools having digs at McNamara, and it grates. To say the least.

Quote: paulwalker71 "On the matter of Tupou, it seems to me that the club are looking to cut their losses, both from a point of view of saving on the salary cap, and in terms of getting rid of a player who isn't really offering anything - and seems unlikely to do so.'"

Probably about right, but more probably the need to use these funds better elsewhere is paramount.

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I do find this strange. I've always believed that if a player is injured the club should honour his contract. Players put their bodies on the line every time they take to the field. If they are injured in the process they shouldnt lose their livelihood.

This may be complicated if the injury that is keeping him out was originally incurred on international duty and I can accept that there may be circumstances where it is right to tear up the contract eg if the player is not genuinely trying to get fit. But as a general principle I think the clubs should play their injured players and then re-claim the money from their insurance. Or am I missing something?

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Quote: Cibaman "I do find this strange. I've always believed that if a player is injured the club should honour his contract. Players put their bodies on the line every time they take to the field. If they are injured in the process they shouldnt lose their livelihood.

This may be complicated if the injury that is keeping him out was originally incurred on international duty and I can accept that there may be circumstances where it is right to tear up the contract eg if the player is not genuinely trying to get fit. But as a general principle I think the clubs should play their injured players and then re-claim the money from their insurance. Or am I missing something?'"


Maybe the insurance payout itsn't forthcoming on this occasion because the injury was sustained playing for NZ? It wouldn't be the first time.

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Quote: Cibaman "I do find this strange. I've always believed that if a player is injured the club should honour his contract. Players put their bodies on the line every time they take to the field. If they are injured in the process they shouldnt lose their livelihood.

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It's a nice sentiment, however it's just not feasable in the modern game. The salary cap as it means clubs have to watch their spending and a player who can't play is just so much dead weight. Sorry if that that seems harsh but that's the way of the world

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Quote: SDB "Do we know where this whole "training" thing is gonna end up? Because surely when you sign a contract it is to "Play for the Bulls?" And then there is this 26 weeks release clause or whatever? Does that mean that aslong as a player can train he is still fullfilling his contract, regardless of whether or not he is training at his maximum and to the same level as the team. Yeah he may not warrent a place but in my opinion if he cant train with the squad he's not training! Bradfords eagerness to release him suggests to me there is something occuring inside Odsal. Im wondering just how good a half back your willing to pay for......'"


I did see Tupou, a couple of weeks ago at the gym at Bradford Uni, i know its not full time training but its a start!

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Quote: steamingbull02 "I did see Tupou, a couple of weeks ago at the gym at Bradford Uni, i know its not full time training but its a start!'"


I appreciate he may be training but I just don't understand what constitutes as "training." But then the RFL are taking a week to decide what it is.....My thoughts are though that its all well and good saying your training and then doing a few bench presses in the gym but although Yes its training, its not actually training (I know thats a confusing sentance!) For me if your training your out there with the players, doing everything the other members of the Squad are doing. I dont think Tupou is at this stage and I think realistically he needs to be sold to Wakefield to get some revenge on them for selling you Jefferies icon_lol.gif

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Quote: Cibaman "I do find this strange. I've always believed that if a player is injured the club should honour his contract. ..'"


They have done, and argue they are doing. The question is whether the contract means what the Bulls argue, or whether it means what Tupou argues. Sounds like a pish-poorly drafted contract if "training" is relevant, but is not defined. On which basis I won't be surprised if we lose the argument under benefit of the doubt.

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It sounds like Tupou is undergoing some sort of training regime - like lifting weights in the gym at the Uni. That shouldn't be a surprise - people who undergo surgery and then begin rehabilitation could - in some sense - be said to be 'training' within a week or two after the surgery

But that hardly constitutes training in any real Rugby League sense i.e 'in' training with the squad, doing all the various routines and having actual contact with others.

In any case, I thought the rule was that a contract could be cancelled if a player was unavailable for 26 weeks - whereas Tupou has been unavailable for 38 weeks already (that becomes 39 as of this weekend). It's not as if the Bulls have tried to pull the plug on the exact date, he's had an extra three months to get fit enough to play. I hope that this is taken into consideration in the eventual ruling.

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They probably also want to take into consideration that while the sports centre is being rebuilt the gym at the uni is the least well equipped in the western hemisphere. He'll have at least an hour of enforced recovery time between machines.

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Can we expect further news today? The RFL were making to be taking a week to consider what constitutes training.

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Quote: Bully_Boxer "Can we expect further news today? The RFL were making to be taking a week to consider what constitutes training.'"


Ah, but what constitutes a week?

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Quote: Ferocious Aardvark "Ah, but what constitutes a week?'"


The RFL aren't sure so will be taking a week to discuss what a week is and at the end of the week they're going to have a vote. And some of them might abstane

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Quote: Roofaldo "The RFL aren't sure so will be taking a week to discuss what a week is and at the end of the week they're going to have a vote. '"


Ah, but what constitutes a vote?

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