It's looking more and more likely that 2009 is going to be a writr off already if the players being mentioned on here are signed. The team needs a massive influx of quality that's not going to happen with the likes of Rooney, Scruton, Calderwood and Gibson and being linked with a move. Other teams have signed quality or being linked with quality players but we get 3rd rate dross. I'll make a prediction now 2009 will see us fail to make the play offs for the first time and the average crowd will drop below 8K.

3rd rate dross? What a fool you are.

Nobody has signed nor will sign two better quality players than Sam Burgess and Steve Menzies.

We will do better next year, and crowds will be significantly better than this year.

Michael Crocker for Hull
DAnny Buderus fo Leeds

There's 2 for you and before anyone questions this sam burgess is a very good forward and will be world class in another year or 2 and menzies is too old but is still a very good player

Or alternatively why do we not go for Lyon?

To be honest where not that far off beign a top of the table team again, we just need some quality in the backs, a centre and Stand-Off.
Ben Jeffries is too inconsistant, i would rather have Jamie Rooney than Jeffries but then again Rooney is nowhere near McGuire or Pryce.
I think we are going to have to use some money and buy players for 09.

So then, according to you we are not "far off" being a top of the table team again except....

1. We need some quality in the backs, centres and stand off positions?
2. Jeffries is inconsistent.
3. We are gonna have to buy players for 2009.

So, pretty much the we are an entire quality back row away from being a top of the table side in 2009?

You need more decent props. Lynch, Feather, Burgess and a geriatric Vagana plus green James and Kopczak isn't a patch on the awesome foursome of old. Especially if Burgess is used at 13.

As much as I hate to argue with you Varky, if you count resignings then Burrow and Maguire would be the signings of the season.

That's right not like Danny Buderus that talented junior.

When is the end of week today, now or 11:59 tongiht?

the bus was probably late

When (if) Buderus sees out his Leeds contract he will still be younger than Menzies is now.

I don't recall seeing Menzies name in the preliminary Australian side for the WC either...

As i said a quality Stand-Off and Centre and where not far away, i did'nt say a complete back line.

I wouldn't. He's been more consistent when paired with Deacon than with your namesake (minus the 6's)