I've been going to both VP and Odsal for years. Had my car damaged once at VP in that time. I've had my car vandalised the same amount of times at my own house.

VP is easier for me to get to than Odsal, and I like the fact that VP is covered for when it lashes it down, and the sound carries when the crowd make a noise. Anyone who was there at VP when City lost to Accrington would know what I mean. However, I like Odsal when it's a nice day, it's a smashing place to be.

I was involved in the BISA campaign to get Bulls back to Odsal, mainly because I believed that was it's psiritual home, not because I didn't like VP. People go on about over handed stewards, but they were doing their job (i.e. inforcing the fact that you are not allowed to stand in an all seater stadium). Has anyone tried standing on a yellow section at Odsal? That is a no-no. One thing that got me was the amount of people who would not watch Bulls at VP simply because it was not on tehir doorstep at Odsal. These people would have no qualms at watching Bulls in Wigan, Hull, London etc, but would not go to VP, because they would have to get a bus. Using the area is an excuse.

I believe that due to the history involved at Odsal and VP for Bulls and City respectively, the best option for the clubs to share a stadium would be to have a purpose built one. It hasn't effected clubs such as Wigan RLFC and Wigan Athletic, or Hull FC and Hull City. Apart from Warriors, it has boosted the other teams.

Are you getting a bit mixed up here or is it me?
The bnp have never had an MP elected, ever, at all. They won't be either. The labour party could put a small pile of bricks up for the seat in Bradford South and it would get more votes than the bnp. Surely nobody wants nazis in parliament!!!

The bnp councillor in the area was elected by a small margin in a particularly low turn-out.

Anyway, all that is off topic. Most MPs just try make the right noises at election time to keep their seats.

Personally from what you've said, I've never darken your landlord's door again never mind attempt to engage him in conversation.

Are you saying that you'd consider voting BNP *if* he did support the OSV ??

Where have i said id consider voting bnp?
I said the landlord of our clubhouse is the chairman of bradford branch of bnp, he doesnt force his views on you, if you didnt know he was bnp you would never guess it.
One of our assistant coaches is black british and he has no qualms about being in there, bnp is no longer hardline, some of the peopel who back them can be but if bnp councillor had hardline views then they wouldnt be allowed to say owt.
Halifax/queensbury/thornhill/dewsbury all have bnp councillors in the local areas.
I do not vote anyone cos they all speak absolute rubbish and dont believe any of them, but alot of people in wibsey area did vote for them.

no longer hardline?
“I am well aware that the orthodox opinion is that six million Jews were gassed and cremated or turned into lampshades. Orthodox opinion also once held that the earth is flat…I have reached the conclusion that the ‘extermination’ tale is a mixture of Allied wartime propaganda, extremely profitable lie, and latter day witch-hysteria.” Nick Griffin, BNP leader.
That's their [ileader[/i How hardline do you want them?!?!

The good news is that it might not matter for Bradford for much longer...
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My apologies to the moderators for the political link but I think it's appropriate given the direction of the debate.

what the has all this got to do with OSV?

or infact whats it got to do with the Bulls?

where's this going?

Well said.
If disstasteful points are made OT then they should simply be ignored here rather than given credence with a response.
Our group liked the facilities, stands and viewing at VP but campaigned for a return to Odsal like so many. We found no problems with access and safe parking by being prudent. Early problems with officious stewards who were used to moronic football supporters later gave way to much latitude and a happier atmosphere. The away supporters we met were happy to have a covered stand that was within easy sight of the action.
Frankly, it is a good stadium albeit without the traditional standing area that we are used to.
God forbid that we need to move from Odsal, and we'll do everything to keep us their - BUT Odsal is a money pit that grows deeper each year.

I know, I'm sorry but if you don't respond to statements about the bnp being ok you may as well agree with them. It's like not voting and then complaining when they get seats on the council.

The OSV might happen and might not. I have mixed feelings about the club becoming involved.
Previously they distanced themselves from the project. The council were supposed to be behind it and be pushing for a modern sports facility for the whole area which would include a stadium for the Bulls. It was a local government project and they should have made sure it progressed.
Sadly it got delayed and delayed and delayed so much so that the club were quoted in the press as saying they thought it'd never happen.
Now they're actively pushing for it they maybe think that this is the last desperate push before giving up altogether.

Becuase of the huge costs invlolved with Odsal and the fact that they're only ever going to get bigger and bigger, we have no choice but to push for the OSV.
If we stay we'll have to go into debt to replace the concrete because of H&S regulations. If we leave and go to VP we will gradually die off because the fans do not like VP.

The only thing we can do as supporters is write to our councillors and tell them we will not vote for them again unless they see we get our stadium.

Sod the niceties and the pros and cons. This is vital to the future of our club. If you want the Bulls to die then don't write to your councillor. If you want us to continue then find your councillor [url=http://www.writetothem.com/?keyword=councillor&creativeid=521752599&gclid=CKLTw536xpACFQgsQwodcheoXwhere[/url and write and tell them.

You can email them, no stamp needed and no trip to the post box. They will ignore your email and send you back a crap standard reply, but if we send enough they will realise they can't go on ignoring them.

Perhaps countering the points rather than 'taking umbrage' would be a tad more productive for the poor lambs.

I think the fact that thousands of people have been going to watch sport there for over 100 years without the incessant whining seen when the Bulls fans had to go there for a couple of years is countenance enough.

You know as well as I that the clock is ticking on Odsal Stadium's financial viability and is in the 11th hour. We know that the council will never commit money to the OSV other than a pay off to get rid of their £1m losses per year on the Richard Dunn abortion. You will remember that under our lease/purchase council agreement we must play at Odsal for a fixed number of future years othewise there needs to some serious payback. So all looks Black But:-
I think Hood has performed well over two difficult financial years and will need to perform even better over the next two.He's proving himself a good negotiator
If the Bulls have to go to VP then we will follow them. If they have to go ANYWHERE we will follow them & bo**ocks to the namby pambies who say "Its too far", "Can't park outside the door"

I'd love to stay at Odsal and even without a roof. On a nice summer day it's fantastic place and one of the best sporting grounds (certainly for character) around.

But we have to face facts. The OSV would be great but is it really that realistic? There have been plans a foot since I started supporting Bradford in 1991. The council don't have any money as they have a mound of earth to support in the City centre. Unless a benefactor comes along with a large lump of cash I can't see the Bulls doing anything other than leave Odsal. Whether it be to Valley Parade or a brand new site.