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If I'd read that I wouldn't have bought the season ticket. A Chairman who has come to own the club through a series of calamities that he was directly involved in, tells the supporters that he doesn't really want the job and that online criticism of him is not informed when he has offered not one single word of explanation and his former mates at the RFL refused an inquiry.

I think this is almost as shameful as today's performance.

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Quote: M@islebugs "If I'd read that I wouldn't have bought the season ticket. A Chairman who has come to own the club through a series of calamities that he was directly involved in, tells the supporters that he doesn't really want the job and that online criticism of him is not informed when he has offered not one single word of explanation and his former mates at the RFL refused an inquiry.

I think this is almost as shameful as today's performance.'"


depressing ... the infamous bulls saga rolls ever onwards. one day we will tap our heals together and realize it was all a dream and back in Kansas

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A lot of softballs in that interview, I guess the price that has to be paid for him to break his silence.

Not filled with confidence when he points to London having paid the price for a nomadic past, when surely we are the ultimate example of a club that is a shadow of its former self and that happened exclusively when we were playing at Odsal.

If we could get any kind of real answers out of him, it would be interesting to know why we've been fed this "Nigel is a minority shareholder, he has no interest in the actual club" rubbish for nearly two years when most people who take an interest knew this was coming.

The club's had an easy ride over the past 18 months cos of Covid, but the fact is in the last full season we were challenging for promotion and knocked Leeds out of the cup. Now we've sold all the players, not even in Bradford and getting stuffed left, right and and yet all the pre season guff was how we were fully stable now thanks to Sawyer, Wood and Co. I fear 2021 will have a lot of chickens coming home to roost for us - maybe the trade press will start asking questions then rather than telling us to suck it up. Given they didn't even bother covering the announcement that the former RFL head had taken over at the club in the last remaining paper last week, I won't hold my breath.

The sad thing is, present company excepted, most fans left probably don't care. Results this year might change things, but I doubt it. Will just see JK sacked first rather than asking why on earth the former champions of the world are getting thumped playing a home game in Dewsbury in front of 1000 people on a Monday night

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To be fair comparing to the 2019 team that was clearly funded on sand doesn’t give a fair reflection. On paper the 2019 team beat Leeds and pushed for promotion but once again was unsustainable.

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Quote: Betsy Bulls "To be fair comparing to the 2019 team that was clearly funded on sand doesn’t give a fair reflection. On paper the 2019 team beat Leeds and pushed for promotion but once again was unsustainable.'"


Do you agree with the position the club is in now and the decisions that have been made since? If not then its kind of a moot point in my wider argument, but I know what you're getting at. Let's not forget we were told when we went for SL promotion when Toronto went bust we were SL Ready...!

I'm not interested in another cutting our cloth debate, but we've let promising young players go and brought in Danny Brough who won't be cheap so it's not like we've got no money. I don't think you can look at some of the plodders out on the paddock in a Bulls shirt this season and think that's stability. There are plenty of other teams with a worse budget than us that would currently play us off the park. That's my issue, Sawyer, Wood et al are yet another emperors new clothes.

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Quote: amberavenger "Do you agree with the position the club is in now and the decisions that have been made since? If not then its kind of a moot point in my wider argument, but I know what you're getting at. Let's not forget we were told when we went for SL promotion when Toronto went bust we were SL Ready...!

I'm not interested in another cutting our cloth debate, but we've let promising young players go and brought in Danny Brough who won't be cheap so it's not like we've got no money. I don't think you can look at some of the plodders out on the paddock in a Bulls shirt this season and think that's stability. There are plenty of other teams with a worse budget than us that would currently play us off the park. That's my issue, Sawyer, Wood et al are yet another emperors new clothes.'"



Would you care to elaborate on what our budget is and which clubs are spending less and what their budgets are?

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Quote: amberavenger "Do you agree with the position the club is in now and the decisions that have been made since? If not then its kind of a moot point in my wider argument, but I know what you're getting at. Let's not forget we were told when we went for SL promotion when Toronto went bust we were SL Ready...!

I'm not interested in another cutting our cloth debate, but we've let promising young players go and brought in Danny Brough who won't be cheap so it's not like we've got no money. I don't think you can look at some of the plodders out on the paddock in a Bulls shirt this season and think that's stability. There are plenty of other teams with a worse budget than us that would currently play us off the park. That's my issue, Sawyer, Wood et al are yet another emperors new clothes.'"


Up until yesterday, I thought the club had done a reasonable job stabilising things after Chalmers had spent more money than we had, again. Crucially last season they’d avoided administration by paying off all the creditors Chalmers had left. I don’t know what effect Covid has had on the club finances but I thought there may have been a surplus due to staff furlough. After the reserves were cut, up to 10 players were released (are these the young players you mean?) as they had no way of being played.
I suppose it all depends on how much club funds are being diverted into the stadium.
Would this be a good season if we finished mid table, back at a slightly improved Odsal, with our academy renewed for another 5 years and no hint of an administration event? I would say that would fit an acceptable season for me. If all those things happened and we got into playoffs, I would call it a good season.

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Without Nigel Wood and others, the club would of gone into Administration again in 2019, it appears Nigel Wood can't win as if he didnt step up he would of got blamed for it, now he has stepped up he is getting blamed for it, look at the accounts under Chalmers and what they are now. With the introduction of the squad booster and a limited budget on players it appears we are now trying to manage on an affordable scale, you then get fans complaining we aren't spending enough which is what caused the problems in the first place.

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The recruitment can’t be left at the door of Sawyer and Wood. You can argue the signings are where we are as a budget but we surely have to be as happy as we can be that we are (I hope) living within our means

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Quote: bulls2487 "Without Nigel Wood and others, the club would of gone into Administration again in 2019, it appears Nigel Wood can't win as if he didnt step up he would of got blamed for it, now he has stepped up he is getting blamed for it, look at the accounts under Chalmers and what they are now. With the introduction of the squad booster and a limited budget on players it appears we are now trying to manage on an affordable scale, you then get fans complaining we aren't spending enough which is what caused the problems in the first place.'"


He's the reason Chalmers owned the club, if in fact he actually owned it all. People from within the RFL coughed 'Nigel Wood' whenever Chalmers and the Bulls were mentioned, for instance when he arrived from NZ without the money to open a bank account so had to use the RFL's account for season tickets. He's neck deep in this going back 9 years.

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Quote: Highlander "Up until yesterday, I thought the club had done a reasonable job stabilising things after Chalmers had spent more money than we had, again. Crucially last season they’d avoided administration by paying off all the creditors Chalmers had left. I don’t know what effect Covid has had on the club finances but I thought there may have been a surplus due to staff furlough. After the reserves were cut, up to 10 players were released (are these the young players you mean?) as they had no way of being played.
I suppose it all depends on how much club funds are being diverted into the stadium.
Would this be a good season if we finished mid table, back at a slightly improved Odsal, with our academy renewed for another 5 years and no hint of an administration event? I would say that would fit an acceptable season for me. If all those things happened and we got into playoffs, I would call it a good season.'"


I don't think they are unreasonable expectations.

Personally I think as 2020 was an enforced fallow year for the Championship, its given the illusion that the club has been stable for 18 months. Whilst other clubs have used it as an excuse to regroup and crack on - what we have needed for a long time - it seems everyone from the board room down look to have been happy with the bare minimum.

Given we have a speedway fan group begging for money to repaint Odsal, I'm not convinced money is being funneled into the stadium

Could be a long old season. A mid table finish is looking pretty good right now.

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Quote: bulls2487 "Without Nigel Wood and others, the club would of gone into Administration again in 2019, it appears Nigel Wood can't win as if he didnt step up he would of got blamed for it, now he has stepped up he is getting blamed for it, look at the accounts under Chalmers and what they are now. With the introduction of the squad booster and a limited budget on players it appears we are now trying to manage on an affordable scale, you then get fans complaining we aren't spending enough which is what caused the problems in the first place.'"


Bit of a bizzare statement to suggest people would have blamed Nigel Wood for not stepping up in 2019. The only person to blame if the club went into admin would have been the people involved in running the club at the time. Surely that wasnt Nigel, was it....?

I haven't seen any complaints asking us to spend more money, more to be more considerate on the money we do spend - eg Danny Brough?

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We cant be accused of not spending money. Brough and Murphy wont have come cheap. However I think the main issue again is a bloated squad of average at best unproven players.

The squad is Kears responsibility, as is the "tactics" we have continued to use during his time.

I get stability but on the field we are a sinking ship and no 38yr old is going to stop that when the other players around him arent up to the job.

Plenty of squads that cost far less look much better at this moment in time.

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Quote: bullinenemyland "Plenty of squads that cost far less look much better at this moment in time.'"
Sheffield and Swinton are a prime example of this. Their squads looked fitter and more creative than ours on what I can only assume is a smaller budget than ours.

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Quote: bullinenemyland "We cant be accused of not spending money. Brough and Murphy wont have come cheap. However I think the main issue again is a bloated squad of average at best unproven players.

The squad is Kears responsibility, as is the "tactics" we have continued to use during his time.

I get stability but on the field we are a sinking ship and no 38yr old is going to stop that when the other players around him arent up to the job.

Plenty of squads that cost far less look much better at this moment in time.'"

Yep I agree. It would seem that we have spent disproportionately across the squad as things stand. No point bringing in Danny Brough if the pack is unfit and lacking quality. Unfortunately we look to be carrying few passengers and John Kear has to take responsibility for that. He is in year 3 of his rebuild so he will need to get this bunch playing for him or the pressure will mount. It's still early days so I'm loathed to press the panic button but we look a long way behind a lot of clubs and it is difficult to see how we can turn things around in such a short space of time.

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