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Oakes and Ryan were scoring tries for fun last year against better opposition.. now Oakes can't get a game?????

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Quote: Molsk111 "Oakes and Ryan were scoring tries for fun last year against better opposition.. now Oakes can't get a game?????'"


It baffles me too. Some say it's because of Oakes' defence but I'm not sure it's any worse than Lee Smith's tbh.

On the topic of centres, we may well get a glimpse of another of our promising youngsters making their SL debuts for another club this weekend. Hull's injury/discipline woes have led to them recalling Cameron Scott back from Dewsbury so he might end up getting a game in the Hull derby!
It will be a sickener see him play for someone other than us but at the same time I hope he does well if he does end up playing.

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I think Oakes having a slow start to the season really held him back. He looked well below par in the friendlies.

His strength is he's a real "winger's centre" but I'm not sure he's actually that much quicker than Smith in a foot race.

I think Kear knows what he's doing.

On the subject of our former youngsters I hope Scott has a good game for Hull. I watched Trueman for Cas on the telly, he looks good but still has a lot to learn.

I also wonder if that move to Saints is working out for James Bentley. He wasn't playing this weekend for Sheffield but he's been on the end of some hidings this year. I wonder if he's still positive about that move?

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Quote: Bullseye "I think Oakes having a slow start to the season really held him back. He looked well below par in the friendlies.

His strength is he's a real "winger's centre" but I'm not sure he's actually that much quicker than Smith in a foot race.

I think Kear knows what he's doing.

On the subject of our former youngsters I hope Scott has a good game for Hull. I watched Trueman for Cas on the telly, he looks good but still has a lot to learn.

I also wonder if that move to Saints is working out for James Bentley. He wasn't playing this weekend for Sheffield but he's been on the end of some hidings this year. I wonder if he's still positive about that move?'"


Sorry got to disagree about Oakes and his lack of speed. Watch him in the reserves and you'll see he can keep up with Ricko and would certainly outpace Smith who tends to have a couple of burst during a game for twenty metres or so then tends to hide,I watched him come off at half time and the guy was really blowing, but the reason Oakes won't get a game there's no way Kear will drop his captain unless he picks up a knock.

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Quote: Mobull "the reason Oakes won't get a game there's no way Kear will drop his captain unless he picks up a knock.'"


Except he has left out the captain a few times (Hitchcox, Butler-Fleming & Oakes have all played there ahead of him this year)

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Quote: HamsterChops "Except he has left out the captain a few times (Hitchcox, Butler-Fleming & Oakes have all played there ahead of him this year)'"

Only when Smith was injured.

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Quote: Mobull "Only when Smith was injured.'"


Maybe Smith has more influence on the players around him, something that's harder to see as a spectator. We need leaders, every top team has them, not just youthful enthusiasm. It's about getting the balance right.

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Quote: Mobull "Only when Smith was injured.'"


I'm not convinced that's been the case every time to be honest Ross, although as people will attest from my previous posts, I'm certainly no fan of Smith and he wouldn't be near my first choice 17. But then I'm not a qualified coach.

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I'm confident that Kear knows all about Oakes, in the pre-match interview on Saturday re Milnes he was basically saying that he'd seen pretty much all his performances this year. Kear is no mug, and maybe he judges that the experience of Smith is a key factor in some games. I too think Oakes provided great service to Ethan and looks in the mould of a genuine centre, but I'd be confident he is somewhere in Kear's plans. Smith is I think now aged around 60 and if Oakes bides his time he will get plenty of chances.

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Quote: HamsterChops "I'm not convinced that's been the case every time to be honest Ross, although as people will attest from my previous posts, I'm certainly no fan of Smith and he wouldn't be near my first choice 17. But then I'm not a qualified coach.'"

Fair points and I agree, to be honest.
I do trust Kear's judgment and he's around the group on a daily basis, so is able to pick up on all the little nuances not available to us - even if we had the judgment to be able spot them. So, if JK feels that he brings something to the squad that we don't see, like leadership, a steadying influence or a mentoring ability, then I'm happy to accept his opinion.

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Kear goes to all the U19 and reserve games too so is well aware of how well or not everyone is playing.

I think Smith has improved a bit recently since he lost weight.

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When Smith was missing against Workington thought we missed a leader on field.

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Quote: bulls2487 "When Smith was missing against Workington thought we missed a leader on field.'"

Totally agree about Smith.
Don't get me wrong - I was one of the people calling for his head last season, when he appeared to be coasting along through games. However, I've seen him roll his sleeves up and get stuck in more this year.
We've been saying for some time now that we don't have any leaders in the team. Well, Smith is the most likely player for me to lead the team for the foreseeable, so for that reason we have to play him and keep Oakes in reserve.

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I personally, based on this season think smith is improving he fed Ryan a nice try and got a decent on of his own tbf

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...yes I'm another pleasantly surprised by Smith this year.. though the side 'step' for his try was the funniest thing I've seen in years but was certainly effective. And definitely seems to have a calming effect on the field when we seem like we're about to do something utterly stupid.

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