Quite a lot actually.

It just suggests you are an empty vessel making a lot of noise, does it not?

All you seem capable of doing is incessantly criticising - as has been pointed out repeatedly.

When I asked Red - in all sincerity - how he would have handled it, we got a sensible and reasoned answer - as we would have expected. When I asked YOU the same question, all we got was that unhelpful broken-record diatribe. Again, as we would have expected.

Maybe when you start engaging in CONSTRUCTIVE criticism, like Red and others do on here, people will take you more seriously.

Which translates as: I've lost the argument (again) so I'll resort to personal insults. Teddy out of cot when someone takes a bit of a stand against your incessant corrosive criticism?

I've not bothered responding to you for a while, but watched with some dismay when you could not wait to get on here after the latest debacle on Friday night and start firing off - even though you had not seen the game or (as far as I could tell) heard from people who had. I did not post on here after the game - because (like you) I did not go but - unlike you - I preferred to wait to hear the opinions of those who HAD.

So I'll say again: maybe when you start engaging in CONSTRUCTIVE criticism, people will take you more seriously.

Adeybull

ding ding round 345968

ME and Adey go hammer and tongs again

I'm bored of you two having the same argument, each are entitled to your opinion...one of you please take the moral high ground and stop taking the bait.

I agree with ME in that I think McNamara's days are numbered and the poll of people on here seems to support that conclusion, I've seen people defend McNamara with issues such as lack of cash, blaming the players e.t.c

At the end of the day you make the best out of what you've got and I don't think he's doing that, he's admitted he doesn't know what's going wrong and compared to teams with potentially around the same budgets and some would argue lesser playing squads we are massively under performing.

I find it hard to understand how some still cling to the hope he can turn it around after watching us slide to where we are now in the 3 or so years he's been in charge. I remember when he took over and the rugby we played, I was excited that we actually had started to run the ball as opposed to what we did under noble.

In regards to the press comments, for me he's not coming over well..there was the infamous y interview on TV and he/the team consistently coming out with the same statements week in week out. Do i know what he should say, how about we know we've underachieved but we're working hard to understand why and get back on track. We've let the fans down and that's what hurts the most, but stay with us and with your backing we'll be up there fighting soon. Is that what we all need, I don't know but i do know he'll be given some sort of media training and he needs to start to use it.

I really did wish he could turn it around but at some point you need to turn round and admit this isn't working and a fresh start is needed, I know we've promoted from within over the last 3 or so times but lets get some fresh ideas into the club.

Perhaps SM given the time could turn it around, perhaps he deserve(d/s) the title of best young british coach but on current form but something needs to be done to show the fans that they are trying to turn the tanker round, unfortunately the quickest way is the sack the coach...question is it the best, in my opinion on this occasion I'm afraid it is.

How long can we keep being fed that same old drivel, that "we will get it right"?
The player's are clearly not performing consistantly each week,so we either get shut of them or we get shut of the coach,the thing is we cant even afford to get rid of the coach until his contract runs out apparently
What a sorry state of affairs we find our selves in,we were world champions in 2006 and yet we find ourselves in 2009 at rock bottom?

Northern Lad: don't tell me what to do please? If my posts bore you, don't read them - no-one is forcing you to.

But anyway, you seem to be missing the point I am making: I am not taking issue at all with ME's arguments per se, and definitely not with his right to express his views. I might even share some of his opinions, and I certainly share his concerns. If you read some of my other posts you will see that.

What I AM taking issue with is his incessant unceasing criticism - and seeming delight at being able to dive in at every opportunity to show how right and how clever he was - whilst failing to put forward constructive and realistic alternatives. And then his re-writing of history when caught out, and his resorting to personal insults when caught out further and he's backed himself into a corner.

And you will anyway see ME yet again trying to twist the argument AGAIN in the post three posts before yours. Note how is is attributing to me a "relentless defence" of the coach? Where would that be? Not on this thread and not anywhere very recent. All he is doing is trying to turn (yet again) what the debate was actually about (in this case ME's seeming inability to improve on the not-particularly-satisfactory comments from Macca) into some other issue (the same one as usual) of his own choosing.

For the avoidance of doubt - I exposed ME's seeming inability to do anything other than criticise and complain, irrefutably, so he resorted to personal attacks and downright untruths to try and detract from his own failure. Again.

The difference between you and ME is that you put forward sensible reasoned CONSTRUCTIVE proposals and comments, and take care to reasonably distinguish between fact and opinion (and btw I agree with most of what you said too) whereas he just criticises. If ME followed your approach, its very unlikely any of this arguing would be happening.

sry Adey I'm not trying to tell you or ME what to do, just hoping that the endless cyclical debate/sniping/point proving ends soon (I'm not attributing blame)

I've read the posts and I didn't miss the point and tbh I'm not fussed what ME says or if he's consistently critical no matter what happens, it just means that i don't pay much attention to his posts as will others if that's the trend.

I guess what I'm saying is both of you are entrenched in your views, perhaps it's best not to feed each other although i do admit the boards would be a little less active if that was the case

right getting back on topic

The one thing that is missing from the article is what's going to be done to change things for the better. I find it hard to believe that the guys can put the season so far behind them when we're half way through it.

He praises the team whilst saying a couple of things didn't go right.

To understand how to improve things i guess you need to know what's going wrong, I haven't heard anything to confirm he does other than the quote he gave about not knowing

Can anybody give us confidence that this situation can be turned around when it's not been so far?

I'd like to hear the boards views on macca and what steps are they going to take if this gets worse. Havent been to a few matches in a while but from what i've seen on sky and on here it is really getting out of hand, i wasnt around pre-super league era but i can say this about myself i dont want to see tumbleweed roll past me when i go to odsal.

Have you sent email to Duffy with those (pretty relevant) questions, for the Fans' Forum? I think the first is a spot-on question to expect a reply to, although I could see them saying the second was "hypothetical" and therefore not appropriate to respond to. I'd suggest though that, given your particular circumstances and what you are engaged in right now, your case for formal answers is stronger than most? You'd certainly get the answers reported on here! Provided of course the club chose to answer the questions...

And hey - your location just changed! You back home now?

Yeah back home, going to Kabul in august to do 6 months, could do with money and want more experience. i will forward my questions onto the right people if you could let me know where to send it to, i would be grateful.

Don't envy you one bit.

Anyway, see rlthis threadrl for details of the Fans' Forum. Email Stuart Duffy at address show in first post. Hope that helps?