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| Ferecious Aardvark - you are more than welcome to come a get Harrison - take him away!!
Mind you know what its like when your club is in thus position as Fax were in 2003 , it is a shame to see Bradord in their current predicament.
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By far the most sensible posts on this thread have come from mystic eddie. - copyright Ewwenorfolk 09.04.2013
Aye, and Eddie is hinting at it too. And, as we all know:
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| Quote: bullsonfire "They'll be more focussed on trying to sort their livelihoods for next season and who can blame them?
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Surely one good way of ensuring that their livelihoods are sorted out for next season is by actually playing well and puting yourself in the shop window?
Let's be honest, who on earth would want any of our players on current form?
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| I disagree. The trick to acquiring any player isn't to see his current form, but weigh up what he [icould[/i do for you if handled correctly. The trick if you sign him is then to man-manage him - with the rest - to get the best out of the whole.
There are plenty in our squad who would (and probably will) play in SL next year, and will do much better than they have been for us. There are certainly plenty who have a boatload more ability than they have shown of late. That's the most frustrating thing for me. If they were all inherently crap, yet trying their best every week, that would do for me.
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| Quote: M@islebugs "...The idea that despite the fear of being out of work at the season's end 12 or 13 of the players who played on Saturday simply can't be bothered is absurd. ...'"
About a million times less absurd than the notion that they played like that yet WERE "bothered"!
Quote: M@islebugs "Cummins admitted Lee Gaskell had endured a particularly difficult afternoon at full-back, though he wasn't the only player to be below par in a performance he branded "embarrassing".
"He looked like was carrying a knock didn't he? He wasn't though, and he wasn't on his own," he added.
"If we have a handful of players that are way off the pace which we had, then we get embarrassed and that's what happened.
"They haven't let me down, they've let everyone involved down, we were embarrassing'"
You are I think in a considerable minority if you think they really were bothered. The coach himself, who i suggest is well placed to really know, is in the majorityif you're not prepared to defend on the back of errors then it's going to be a tough day at the office.'"
Now, in my book, if players "ARE NOT PREPARED TO DEFEND ON THE BACK OF ERRORS" then that is not being bothered. Do you disagree?
Quote: M@islebugs "Next Sunday’s home clash with Wakefield has now taken on added importance and the Bulls must win to avoid falling further behind.
Cummins saidhopefully we’ll have a handful of players who are willing to do a job for the team.
“If we have then we won’t be far away. If half a dozen don’t turn up or decide to do something else, then we will get embarrassed again.”'"
The idea that 12 or 13 of the players who played on Saturday simply couldn't be bothered is therefore a long way from absurd. On the contrary, you have basically had this spelled out by the coach, who is warning the fans that he can't guarantee that all the players will even turn up, or be willing to do a job for the team, and he's worried we could even get embarrassed by Wakefield.
I haven't quite heard anything as defeatist publicly said by the man who is supposed to be motivating the said team, in all my days.
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| Don't buy this "we were down as soon as we had the 6 points taken off" that's absolutely rubbish. A lot of
Games this season we have had a good team on the field but been given an absolutely spanking in MOST games this season. The players have been paid every week and the "financial troubles" have been resolved for weeks. There is absolutely no excuses for the "effort"'some of these players are putting in.
In 2012 you could have forgiven them for putting in these kind of performances when they won't getting paid on time and we didn't really have anything to play for as there was no relegation. Those players busted a gut to get in the play-offs. This lot think its ok to give up after 30 seconds and see another huge score put past us.
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| No, 'Not prepared' and 'can't be bothered' don't mean the same thing.
Cummins may have inadvertently hit on the root cause of the problem. If the team was collectively unprepared to defend off the back of errors he needs to look at himself, or have they all gone down with lazyitis on the same day?
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| Quote: M@islebugs "No, 'Not prepared' and 'can't be bothered' don't mean the same thing. '"
For present purposes, then, you'll need to explain the difference, cos I'm buggered if I can see a material one!
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| To me that reads like Cummins has lost the dressing room, as they say these days.
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| Quote: "Telegraph & Argus wrotehopefully we’ll have a handful of players who are willing to do a job for the team.
“If we have then we won’t be far away. If half a dozen don’t turn up or decide to do something else, then we will get embarrassed again.”'"
The most incredible phrase in that somewhat sad eulogy is the one about hoping we have a handful of players 'who are willing to do a job for the team'
Here's a thought Mr Cummins: How about we see 17 players who are willing to a job for the team? Frankly 'a handful' won't suffice, as we can be certain that Wakefield will be fired up for this game.
And if he is suggesting that there were a handful that weren't even trying on Saturday - and the visual evidence would suggest that - then, given that we look like having Diskin, Ferguson, Blythe, Walker, Fakir etc back and available - then it should be quite simple to drop that handful
Then we would see who 'the handful' are.
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| I could easily identify who the handful were from my vantage point in the Tribune Ouest stand on Saturday for those having difficulty.
Foster, Gaskell -never let him play FB again, Gale, Henry- never seen him do anything, if fact, hang on, it's shorter to state that Addy, Purts and Kear at least appeared to give a damn! The rest either didn't care or couldn't give a toss.
I've witnessed bigger defeats this season in respect of scores but not a more gutless, passion lacking, soft and embarrassing display served up. It's the first time I've felt the need to say that on that performance the Bulls don't deserve to be in Super League. Sad day!
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| I would love to be a fly on the wall in the boardroom and hear what Green and co are saying and doing in private. Some people think they are doing nothing as they are not in the papers. I bet they are busy doing something but it may be preparing for next year in the championship - and this work can't be discusses yet in the media as it will look like we have given up.
It looks like we are going down so I would be disappointed if Green hasn't started planning how to get us back up within say 5 years.
At the moment the directors will have "public"faces and comment and also "private" sides that we are not told about. Hopefully, we can stay up and they will never tell us what they are planning but I do hope they have it all planned by the middle of July which is when we could be relegated officially.
Most of the players will already be looking around. Maybe a few of them out there last weekend have already got an offer which could explain their effort levels.
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| Quote: Ferocious Aardvark "icon_eek.gif
'Not prepared' equates to not seeing the value in an exchange of effort for prospective results, most probably due to having no faith in the outcome no matter how hard they try. 'Can't be bothered' means not wishing to expend the effort irrespective. The former means they do not believe in what they're being assured will be the fruits of their effort. The latter means they don't care.
I think it's the former and as TT says the dressing room has stopped listening or processing what FCs saying. It's tragic because it's largely not his fault, although I do think he's made crucial mistakes. Nevertheless, he looks doomed.
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| Quote: tigertot "To me that reads like Cummins has lost the dressing room, as they say these days.'"
It also reads as if the dressing room has lost the coach
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| Quote: M@islebugs "'Not prepared' equates to not seeing the value in an exchange of effort for prospective results, most probably due to having no faith in the outcome no matter how hard they try. 'Can't be bothered' means not wishing to expend the effort irrespective. The former means they do not believe in what they're being assured will be the fruits of their effort. The latter means they don't care.
I think it's the former and as TT says the dressing room has stopped listening or processing what FCs saying. It's tragic because it's largely not his fault, although I do think he's made crucial mistakes. Nevertheless, he looks doomed.'"
This will be where the club psychiatrist earns his bonus then?
Also - the senior players last year were Diskin, Kearney, Scruton, Walker and L'Estrange. How many of them played in France? Some left due to financial reasons, some out through injury.
In this current team, vocal leadership (which is respected/listened to) is provided by Diskin, Walker and Kearney.
Loan players can't provide it. Younger players can't provide it. Gale is expected to be able to provide it, but it's not working.
If Diskin is available, I think we'll do ok this weekend. But I look at what the team has been doing recently and wonder, like many, if the few good performances are because of, or despite the coaching?
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| Quote: paulwalker71 "The most incredible phrase in that somewhat sad eulogy is the one about hoping we have a handful of players 'who are willing to do a job for the team'
Here's a thought Mr Cummins
I'm speechless at Cummins comments. What an appalling attitude from the coach. Our biggest game in recent history and he is HOPEFUL that SOME players will do THEIR JOB.
How disrespectful to Wakey. Does he really believe that if only half the team do "their job" that we will win!? We need all seventeen players busting a gut on Sunday. Wakefield certainly will.
Deary me!
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