I'm struggling with the implication that this sort of disgraceful behaviour (" the train was heaving and the carriage was full with people standing, well men mainly, as she tried to get through they all (like over 100) started chanting “Get your tits out, get your tits out” as she tried to get her way to the door and off the train."icon_wink.gif should simply be brushed off and tolerated, which is what is being said. So a hundred blokes can chant sexual songs at a woman struggling to get through them, and she is supposed to take it all in good part, and view it as just one of those things?

I find the suggestion both completely unacceptable and pretty sad. Any person should be free to go about their daily business unmolested by morons and certainly not reduced to a piece of meat for some idiot to examine and comment on their physical attributes.

The whole thing is just a sad continuation of the power dynamic of men historically exerting power and control over women, and needs to be seen as such. If this woman was the wife of Victor Klitschko, walking with him down the train, and any two of these morons were their on their own, why would they not then chant "GYTOFTL" to her? Because they fscking well know that it ain't the amusing harmless bonhomie it's being made out, but crass and unacceptable behaviour, which they only engage in because they know the woman is powerless, and would not dream of doing if the balance of power was on her side. And that's what's wrong with it.

Is Victor Klitschko one of Wladimir and Vitali's younger brothers?

Yeah I wouldn't mess with one of those boys.

Assuming the post reflects her genuine feelings, then it was construed as harassment. Whether the morons directing at her think that is OK is immaterial. She feels intimidated, therefore she is being intimidated.

Does anyone know if this was the so called fat dogs and their entourage?

5 pages of debate on this, good grief...

A bunch of young lads who had too much to drink over stepped the mark, not to be condoned but no-one was physically hurt and i don't think the lady in question will be mentally scarred for life!

Lets get over it...

Get over it, aka do nothing to stop it happening again?

Abuse can be verbal/mental as well as physical - the lady in question was upset enough to take time to write to a blog about it....... how do you know she didn't contemplate doing herself physical harm as a result?

FYI what is a forum for if not debate?

What would be a permissible length of debate?


Who? Nobody on this forum has anything to "get over". The people who have something to "get over" are the two victims, it's sad that in the 21st c. they should have to, and a shame that you are prepared to dismiss it as 'boys will be drunk boys" high jinks.

"boys will be drunk boys" who said that? stop twisting words you're becoming famous for it..

Oddly enough, the reference was to something you said:

"A bunch of young lads who had too much to drink"

Maybe you have short term memory loss?

What boredom would that be? If you're bored, I suggest you look up "paraphrasing". Then do some work on the various different grammatical uses to which quotation marks can be put, apart from direct quotes. There's a good lad.

And that's my "good deed for the day" out of the way.

Think this is getting needlessly snippy and I think it originates with Judge666 taking exception to his views being summarised as "boys will be boys". I don't think that is an unfair characterisation to be honest. But regardless, there's no need for anyone to go personal. I think Asim and I have had a pretty frank exchange of views without it going ad hominem for example. Let's keep it that way please.

Oh i'm a "good lad" alright FA....Post noted af.

Cheers - always thought there would be a range of views on this and tbh the thread has stayed a darn sight more civil than I suspect it would on most msg boards on RL or any subject you care to mention.