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| Quote: mat "he'll only get more money to spend next year if attendances rise. We'll probably have some money freed up by menzies retiring but that'll get soaked up in an improved deal to retain langley. their may be a couple of other departures but not any of our bigger wages so we wont have much scope for strengthening unless we can get attendances and therefore income up.'"
Money to spend was limited this year due to building the state of the art training facilities, so regardless of who we let go, I imagine we'll get a bit more to spend.
I'm not sure whether Menzies will even go yet, but if he does, all of his money won't go on Langley (But I really do hope we hear good news regarding a Langley contract soon!!)
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| Quote: mat "he'll only get more money to spend next year if attendances rise. We'll probably have some money freed up by menzies retiring but that'll get soaked up in an improved deal to retain langley. their may be a couple of other departures but not any of our bigger wages so we wont have much scope for strengthening unless we can get attendances and therefore income up.'"
Who says Menzies is retiring? He easily has another year in him.
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| Quote: Paul124897 "Who says Menzies is retiring? He easily has another year in him.'"
Judging by what I saw on the highlights last night, he sure does.
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| Quote: Paul124897 "Who says Menzies is retiring? He easily has another year in him.'"
he's said in interviews he may do another year or he may look to move into coaching. If we could move him into coaching setup as an assistant that would be ideal for us imo. Another year playing may be a year too far imo. It also has to be remembered that we'll only have a quota space to recruit someone if menzies goes. nero wont count on quota next year so it doesnt help us in terms of quota whether he stays or goes and the other 4 ozzies are under contract for next year already.
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| Hi Adey
Quote: Adeybull "Do you really thing people stopped turning up because of a lack of faith in the coach?'"
Over the last couple of seasons - yes. I even know of at least 6 people who have stopped going for just that reason. Not that anecdote can be used as evidence of anything much, but it is my belief that over the last two seasons a lack of faith in the coach has contributed to a decline in attendances.
Quote: Adeybull " As for Wire, Wigan and Hudds - they have one teeny advantage that we do not - a rich owner to bankroll the club and fund the (sometimes extremely large) losses. The sort of owners who can fund much higher-cost coaching and other senior staff and other support and marketing activities. All are spending the salary cap (and in some cases must be getting some players VERY cheaply to stay within it...) and all have new stadia.
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I thought I said all that - so yes, I know, and I agree for the most part. However, do I think Macca is as good or better coach than Brown or Maguire? - No I don't. So would I replace him with either of them or similar if they were available, then yes I would. I know that this is not as simple as it sounds, given finances etc, but my ambition for the club would be to have a coach of similar quality and standing, I don't believe Macca is at that level yet, he might get there, but I'm far from convinced.
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| Quote: dixie "
Playing poor and winning is the sign of a good side.'"
I don't agree with that. Maybe the odd game but if a team is consistently playing poorly, winning or not, it is a reflection of other issues. Not that I am saying Bradford are, I have not seen enough recent games to comment.
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| Quote: mat "you could ask his biggest critic except he doesnt seem to post unless we lose when he crawls out of the woodwork and tries to turn every thread into a sack macca one.
Nice to see your obsession is still alive and well.
However in regards to the OP then there are a few issues to discuss in regards to McNamara. This season, I concede, certainly seems to be showing signs of a improvement (difficult for me to be too sure due to the fact that I cannot see as many games as I would like) and for that, the coach deserve a great deal of credit. However, we still have a less than terrific record against the "top" sides we have faced so far this season (barring second half v Wigan) so it still suggests that were are still a way off being a contender in either of the two main competitions. (I accept we drew away against Leeds but it was a heavily depleted Leeds side and we threw it away TBH)
But we need to look at the bigger picture.
Has the tenure of McNamara been a success? Over the piece, no. We have failed to reach any finals (and therefore won nothing), our crowds are the lowest they have been for years, season on season are finishing lower down the table and we suffered the ignominity of not even getting into the play offs last season. The fans too, to a degree also seem restless.
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If this season is an indication that things are going to improve then perhaps changing it now would not be the done thing and maybe McNamara deserves the chance to prove that he is indeed of the quality that plenty within the game seem to suggest he is. It could also be argued though that the wins we have had this season have been against the "lesser" sides in the comp (Quins, Catalans, Cas, Crusaders, Salford (with Wigan being the obvious exception)). Also factor in that from these wins, only Cas at home and Catalans away were comfortable wins (in terms of scoreline rather than performance). Add to that that we have had a couple of pastings (Saints and Wire) and a couple of reasonably comfortable losses (Giants and Dull FC) when we were flattered somewhat by getting a couple of late scores when the game was up.
I am not convinced whatsoever that offering McNamara a new deal is a particularly good move, and before people rush to say that it is hardly a surprise then I have tried to be as fair as possible with this view. Off-field problems notwithstanding there has still been far more to criticise about McNamara's reign than there has been to praise IMO and I obviously feel that we need a change at the end of his contract, if he does not head to the England job sooner. If he DOES get a new contract however, I would hope that it was a one year extension with and option for a further year rather than a frankly baffling five year deal like he got last time.
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| Quote: tigertot "I don't agree with that. Maybe the odd game but if a team is consistently playing poorly, winning or not, it is a reflection of other issues. Not that I am saying Bradford are, I have not seen enough recent games to comment.'"
You can't really complain if a team plays poorly and wins though. I can't imagine in any sport a team can consistently play poor and win, unless they are just that much better than the competition around them. On that note i'd say most fans rate how a team performs based upon results anyway.
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| The Board is probably doing right in waiting, if it means we lose McNamara then so be it. We may yet fall well out of the play-offs, and if that happens everybody will be re-joining the Macca out party. If we wait too long, we'll need a new coach, which we'll be partly dreading and partly looking forward to.
Realistically, there wouldn't be as many candidates as we would like. They need to be affordable, wanting to come here, and willing to (probably) work under the SC.
Ellery Hanley
Brian Mac
Jimmy Lowes
Shaun McRae
Ian Millward
Karl Harrison
Matt Calland
Brian McLennan (if Leeds finish out of the top 8??)
Steve Folkes (unlikely)
Jason Taylor (poss)
Graham Murray (highly unlikely)
Out of those, Folkes, Taylor & Millward would be my preferences, but I really think if Macca goes we'll plump with McDermott, Lowes or Calland.
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| What is Jason Taylor up to now?
If we did need a new coach he might well be worth considering if the sums balanced up. He has worked under Brian Smith and actually took over from him at Parra when he left Smith left mid-season.
Sounds like he was fairly well thought of in NRL before his incident with Fa'alogo. A pretty young coach who needs to get his career back on track but also has a reasonable amount of experience as a Head Coach. Perhaps a realistic target if we need to recruit a new coach for 2011 or sooner.
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| Quote: Bully_Boxer "What is Jason Taylor up to now?
If we did need a new coach he might well be worth considering if the sums balanced up. He has worked under Brian Smith and actually took over from him at Parra when he left Smith left mid-season.
Sounds like he was fairly well thought of in NRL before his incident with Fa'alogo. A pretty young coach who needs to get his career back on track but also has a reasonable amount of experience as a Head Coach. Perhaps a realistic target if we need to recruit a new coach for 2011 or sooner.'"
I put possible, with ££ being the main reason. Any young, talented Aussie coach won't come cheap.
One I didn't include is Michael Hagan, assistant to the Queensland side IIRC.
I didn't even put Noble on the list as it would be a step backwards.
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| Few other outside bet Aussies ?
Warren Ryan
Phil Gould
Ricky Stuart - He needs to get his career back on track after a dreadful 2009.
Brad Fittler
Whoever we choose, it could well be someone not thought about in this thread, but he needs to be the right man to continue Macca's great work on the youth side of things. Hopefully a young coach aswell as the game is always changing.
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| Quote: Bully_Boxer "A pretty young coach...'"
Are his looks really relevant?
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| I'm sure if you asked some of the Fax fans what they thought of Calland at the moment they wouldn't give you a great response.
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| Quote: dixie "You can't really complain if a team plays poorly and wins though. I can't imagine in any sport a team can consistently play poor and win, unless they are just that much better than the competition around them. On that note i'd say most fans rate how a team performs based upon results anyway.'"
I suppose I was thinking of teams who you would expect to win, winning but playing poorly. Wigan under John Dorahay won everything (IIRC) but he was shown the door as they didn't do it convincingly enough, I remember Cas under DVDV winning something like their first 7 games in the 80's but never with conviction & that soon faded, Wire under numerous coaches (DVDV again included).
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