I have pointed out the errors made. It is childish to come up with “go look at the league table”. I expected better.


I have explained to you why you are wrong. It is now for you to explain where my logic is flawed. Saying simply “you don’t understand” without offering any argument let alone a cogent one is, again, childish.


Er, perhaps because the team is called Bradford Bulls not something else?


Your statement is a pure non sequitur. You say the club, meaning the Bradford Bulls team, is the member, but it is 100% not. The owner of the business is the member. Of this there is not the slightest doubt. I can’t believe you wouldn’t get that simple truth.

How can I explain this to you in a way simple enough for you to understand? If I am caught speeding, my driving licence will be endorsed with say 3 points. I won’t. The court will not stamp 3 points on my forehead. The points will appear in my league table on my licence and at DVLA and if I accumulate 12, I will be relegated to the pavement. But it is I, the OWNER of the driving licence, who is being sanctioned. Not my damn licence which whilst it clearly physically exists, is not a legal person, has no existence as a licence independent of me, and is not actually being penalized in any way at all.


If there is one thing I’m NOT doing, it is deliberately avoiding anything relevant or contrary. If I have not got my head around such things, name one example of a thing you think I have not got my head around.

I have – whenever the question has been raised – consistently explained that it is the member who is sanctioned, indeed when all this palaver started I was the first to actually post the sections from the Operational Rules that explain all this. And of course it remains the case that the RFL can only sanction its members. It is a pure nonsense to invent some sort of sanction to some separate club. If there is no owner to own it, then there is no club.


Thank you. I wish I could say the same for you. I note you’re now tending to bluster, and not dealing with any of my specific points, and you need to up your game.

What a ridiculous comment to go with your other suggestion as to accusing me of lying.
You can quote all the rules in the world but I would have thought quoting from 4.1 would suffice and prevent the tedium.

It basically says the RFL can do what they want and are not tied to precedent.

I submit the shambles warrants that position.
The points lost are already under the bridge.
The pair of you just get over it and carry on slagging and slugging.
You must be a sad civil servant to troll through that garbage and believe it will offer up a lifeline of points returned.
I would not waste breath on you.
xx

Sorry it was rule 4.7 not 4.1 you quote.
Time for bed zebedee

Anyone fancy a pint?

Not half

Has anyone used BULL POWER yet? I'm new to all this but tried it last night and saved a fair amount of money on both gas and electricity!

Last time I changed, the one I changed to put its prices up and within two months [in so far as I was able to work out the way the pricing worked the one I left became the cheapest. It's four times I've changed now, and the one thing I've unequivocally worked out is that the whole process is a waste of time, and now I simply can't be bothered to play silly games.

Stick with the company you've got, take their cheapest offer and every now and then the press will announce that it is the cheapest - job done!

I realise you are talking about Bullpower - but you don't have to change many words to make your wise words fit the topic of the thread!!!

It isnt, it is the other way around. Here are the definitions with the articles of association

[i"Member"
each of those Clubs and other bodies admitted to membership of the Company and who shall together form the Council in accordance with the provisions of these Articles but, for the avoidance of doubt, excluding Honorary Positions;
[/i
[i"Club"
any rugby league club which is admitted by the Council as a member of the Company from time to time in accordance with these Articles;[/i

[i"SLE"
Super League Europe Limited (a limited liability company registered in England with company number 3238540 and whose registered office is at Red Hall, Red Hall Lane, Leeds LS17 8NB and whose members participate in the rugby league competition known as the Super League;

"SLE Members"
those Clubs who are members of the Company and who are also members of SLE; [/i

these definitions are all within the articles of association from the RFL verbatim. Each explicitly states that the club is the member of the company. The member of the company HAS to be a business or individual, it cannot be the abstract concept of 'club' which you are using. It has to be a legal entity. An abstract concept cannot be admitted to the council. The 'club' does not exist outside of who is the member of the RFL.

In fact, in the memorandum and articles of association for company No. 5835638, RFL
(Governing Body) Limited, it helpfully gives us examples of the subscribers, the one which is most helpful here in that it spells out everything for us is

[iNAMES, ADDRESSES AND DESCRIPTIONS OF SUBSCRIBERS

THE LEEDS CRICKET, FOOTBALL AND ATHLETIC COMPANY LIMITED
(trading as LEEDS RHINOS RUGBY LEAGUE FOOTBALL CLUB)
Carnegie Stadium
St Michael's Lane
Headingley
Leeds
LS6 3BR [/i

Leeds CF&A Co Ltd is the member, they trade as Leeds Rhinos RLFC. Leeds Rhinos RLFC is a brand name belonging to Leeds CF&A who are members of the RFL. Leeds Rhinos arent, they are simply a 'name'.

According to the RFL's own documentation. The 'club' is the member of the RFL company, the 'member' of the RFL is the company holding the share of the RFL and elected/invited to the RFL council. Both the RFL and SLE are companies limited by guarantee owned by the RFL and its members.

It’s not normally the done thing for Mods to use our ability to see IP addresses to unmask people, but in this instance might be helpful.

You see Martin Wild and FA are the same person. We can only guess at the Cataclysmic event that created these two personalities and the third one Flexwheeler, but you need to give him a bit of leeway as be publicly battles with himself.

Hmmm. You felt the urge to join rlfans yesterday and your first post is totally unrelated to rugby plugging the bull power scheme. I smell a rat/ commissioned salesman

Yes, Noble and Honest, you are correct in one thing, time to nail this one.

FA's question presupposes that the club was penalised at the time of OK's control. He is wrong. Byelaws section 4.7 states that it is the readmitted or admitted member that suffers such penalty as the RFL sees fit to apply, not the expelled member. Again, simple logic tells us that, no need to throw the legalese book at it. And as it is the readmitted or admitted member that has been penalised, then that very same member, ie the Bradford Bulls under the control of Marc Green, has the right to appeal the penalty applied to it. This of course covers both the points penalty and the withholding of Sky funding.

So FA has asked the wrong question, and I have provided the answer to the right question.