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7. Employees have rights if their employer is insolvent and owes them money. Employees can claim for this whether they’re protected under TUPE or not.
In a TUPE-protected transfer, the new employer must pay any amount left over after employees have been paid from the government’s National Insurance fund.
However as Redeveready said, all the staff got made redundant by the administrator. I think at the very worst the new co will have to pay Decembers wages.
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I think there may be some interesting revelations regarding the RFL and their desired/eventual outcome.
Imagine if players and staff could have been tuped, but for some reason, the potential 'New Company' was refused a seat at the table?
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Glad this has come up. The season is a write off as far as rugby is concerned and we are all probably more versed in legal and financial matters anyway after the last five years.
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Further to my last post regarding TUPE . The extract below from ACAS seems to confirm that Bulls newco are potentially liable as they fit as having taken over all the relevant bullet points.
Business transfers
The TUPE regulations apply if a business or part of a business moves to a new owner or merges with another business to make a brand new employer. A part of a business might for example be a distribution function of a larger organisation.
Under the TUPE regulations, a business is not judged by its name but by the use made of its assets such as the:
* premises
* equipment
* work in progress
* goodwill (such as the value of a brand name or a customer base)
* intellectual property
* employees.
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Further to my last post regarding TUPE . The extract below from ACAS seems to confirm that Bulls newco are potentially liable as they fit as having taken over all the relevant bullet points.
Business transfers
The TUPE regulations apply if a business or part of a business moves to a new owner or merges with another business to make a brand new employer. A part of a business might for example be a distribution function of a larger organisation.
Under the TUPE regulations, a business is not judged by its name but by the use made of its assets such as the:
* premises
* equipment
* work in progress
* goodwill (such as the value of a brand name or a customer base)
* intellectual property
* employees.
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| Quote: Nothus "The article in the guardian mentions that some of the individuals making the claims are being represented by the same solicitor that is dealing with the Cas/Denny Solomona case.
Those muppets on twitter might not realise the difference but I'm pretty sure that solicitor knows what's up.
The only thing I can think of that might drag the newco into this is whether there was any tupe stuff going on between the two companies. We all thought BBN Ltd was liquidated but that doesn't appear to be the case, so who knows.'"
I would have thought the only TUPEing to be going on was when Thorne promised to sign everyone on their current deals at that meeting. It does leave a sense of what could have been had he been given the club |
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Oh great. Meanwhile the administrator who told the staff to carry on trading while he earnt £210 per hour according to his report, and Marc Green who signed all the bloody players to the contracts won't have to pay a penny.
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| Quote: Nelson "Further to my last post regarding TUPE . The extract below from ACAS seems to confirm that Bulls newco are potentially liable as they fit as having taken over all the relevant bullet points.
Business transfers
The TUPE regulations apply if a business or part of a business moves to a new owner or merges with another business to make a brand new employer. A part of a business might for example be a distribution function of a larger organisation.
Under the TUPE regulations, a business is not judged by its name but by the use made of its assets such as the:
* premises
* equipment
* work in progress
* goodwill (such as the value of a brand name or a customer base)
* intellectual property
* employees.
It mentions using assts not having bought them, and there wasn't any goodwill at that point!!! Also there was no business as a going concern, so it couldn't move! The ACAS guidance doesn't cover a business setting up from new, which new co did, when the previous business ceased to exist. We know that because big Nige and Ralph told us
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Unless and until we know what specific legal claims are actually directed at the new Bulls, speculation is pretty pointless.
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| Quote: Bull Mania "Oh great. Meanwhile the administrator who told the staff to carry on trading while he earnt £210 per hour according to his report, and Marc Green who signed all the bloody players to the contracts won't have to pay a penny.'"
If the liquidation really isn't yet complete then we must assume he is STILL earning £210 per hour... |
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Cramer has a knack of winning these kinds of cases, he must see an angle and he must think he can win!
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Can't we have Cramer on our pay roll in the future?!
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| Quote: Bully_Boxer "Can't we have Cramer on our pay roll in the future?!'"
But would he get paid? |
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And yet another saga begins...
You couldn't write this stuff.
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| Quote: Mirfieldbull "It mentions using assts not having bought them, and there wasn't any goodwill at that point!!! '"
In the more generic sense, I think you are right that a lot of people were, are and continue to be at the end of their tether - but in the definition they provided (the value of a brand name or a customer base) there is actually a lot. All you'd have to do is point to the thousands of people (the customer base) turning up to watch the new Bradford Bulls (the brand) complete the fixtures of the old business. |
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| Quote: Ferocious Aardvark "Unless and until we know what specific legal claims are actually directed at the new Bulls, speculation is pretty pointless.'"
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