But cup games, at home, against a club which isn't going to be a big attraction is the perfect vehicle for the marketing dept to hang its hat on. We're not going to get a big crowd, so we can't lose much if we drop prices plus there will be no season ticket holders feeling hard done by 'cos others have got in cheap. Tenner each, and kids under 16 free with shed loads of advertising in the papers and around the city, get 10K in the ground - all we have to do is win it, of course...

I'll be curious to see what the attendances are like if by some miracle there is a home cup fixture. The present base attendance is at about the level they used to drop off to.

I don't think its quite that easy with cup games, though? I have a recollection that gate receipts are pooled or something, that the RFL call the shots, and one reason the club never put on any pre-match entertainment or anything before cup games was because the club received no financial benefit from the game just costs...

Typical, the go ahead strivers once again stifled by the overbearing bureaucracy...

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Funnily enough, [url=http://www.giantssupporters.co.uk/Editorial/Ken%20Davy,%20April%202013.html:pogoaf49:pogoaf49=#400000:pogoaf49Ken Davy:pogoaf49:pogoaf49[/url:pogoaf49 seems not to share yours (and my) reservations on this subject.

[url=http://m.thisishullandeastriding.co.uk/story.html?aid=18618634&category=news:pogoaf49:pogoaf49=#400000:pogoaf49Hudgell & his pal:pogoaf49:pogoaf49[/url

We are far from alone in having concerns about attendances.

You can understand these people being frustrated by such low crowds though[4,200 at Hudds last week? Jesus wept, but it's clearly pointless to mouth off about it; the ones who [ido[/i go probably agree with the sentiments anyway and the ones who don't most likely couldn't care less, and certainly won't be influenced by them.

They come across as rich men phoning the newspaper to talk about how unfair it is that their train set is broken.

In fairness to Davy, his despair looks to be in a letter to their supporters' organisation. Although at least he took the trouble to thank them properly for what was nevertheless a fairly modest sum.

My concern is that the recession is showing no real signs of ending and that is the reason for low crowds. Clubs have got to be incredibly imaginative to get bums on seats and it's going to be a real struggle. The RFL also need to be understanding of the situation and bend over backwards to make it as easy as possible for clubs to survive.

Every club has a limit to the number they can attract. In the good old days it was around 14k at the Bulls but those days are gone.

I'd say we're doing alright all things considered. I just hope our owner was aware of this situation before he got involved.

The letter is very interesting in that it references what is a golden era in the club's history by comparison with the previous decades. I know the last two or three seasons have started well and ended poorly but the level of cynicism around the club and its messageboard is extraordinary.

When Davy refers to the club winning a trophy it seems that the vast majority of the fans simply don't believe him anymore.

There is debate about a 2-tier SL, 10 in each tier, come the next Licensing round.

Which IMO would soon become a 10-team SL, hogging the Sky money. Not that there are any precedents, of course...

I am increasingly thinking this may turn out to be more than a mere debate.

If so, which tier we would end up in would seem to depend a fair bit on the answer to Bullseye's last question.