Maybe. One point I make is that I think it is right and fair that we should be given an explanation. To me it's unreasonable that one single club has been fined over a million pounds, which has heavily contributed to its rapid demise and was unsustainable. and somebody should be held to account for that. If they now think they fooked up, they should admit it. The proper mechanism would be to set out what sanctions the new owners face, publicly and clearly, so the fans of the club know what they are. Just like we knew the sanctions for the previous owners.

It's all very well people saying you can deduce the financial sanction from a second hand throwaway comment attributed to Solly in the T&A but that is not the way to inform us, and as even that comment did not emntion any figure, it is meaningless to me. The remaining penalty could be half a million, or a pound, or anything.

It is unacceptable that not a word has been said directly as to what our actual package of sanctions is. Obviously Green knows, but why the secrecy for the rest of us, and how can it be justified?

The RFL are even silent on competition points. In the case of BB2014, they agreed a deal with RFL, and then at the last minute the RFL said they were deducting 6 pts., and publicised why (because they were not satisfied about the actual cash provision for debtors of the old club)

But now we have brand new owners, who have given a brand new plan, complete with brand new proposals (if any) for old debtors. Clearly on any reasonable view the RFL should at the point of the deal reconsider the competition points position and announce their decision.

People say that the points were a sanction against Moore & Co., for not coming up with actual money to repay old debts. I get that. But what was not known at the time was that Moore & Co. were not, in fact, the owners. Sanctions are APPLIED TO OWNERS. That is crystal from the rules. It is even clearer, (if you need bigger crystals) as it must follow that, if the RFL had been satsified as to the new owners means and willingness to pay old debts, then the points deduction would indisputably have been less.) What we have since learned is that Moore & Co., while we all THOUGHT they were the owners, were in fact in some sort of 28 day period of grace and while they were allowed to run the show as virtual owners, they legally never owned anything. Which is why they had the option of never completing the purchase, instead walking away.

So there was a points deduction. That was levied as a sanction against the owners for inadequate old debt provision. But they were not actually the owners, and walked away. Why should the next owner in line be stuck with that sanction? people say they "can appeal". But they can't. The decision was not against them. Only the person sanctioned can appeal. And so far as I can see, the RFL applied a sanction to someone who did not exist. That is, BB2014 did exist, it was not as it turns out the owner, so no owner existed.

Logically when the provisional acquisition by the prospective new owner was terminated, we had a position where the RFL had said to BB2014 "yes, you can have it, but on these terms ..... including we'll be deducting 6 points". When MM & Co. said fook that, and did not agree, but walked, the RFL should have said OK then we will leave the points decision in abeyance, and decide what it will be if and when we have an actual new owner, based on THEIR plans and documentation.

More or less my thoughts, FA.

I've thought all along that that the deduction was precipitate and should only have been decided when the 'owners' were decided and their plans could be properly scrutinised. If, at the end of the day, its a fair decision, then fine but you can't decide that a couple of months before the owners are known.

Yet another fine example of our headless 'friends' in the RFL running round the farmyard..

Yes, it's both the lack of transparency, and the sense of making it up as they go along, that I can't stand.

When you cobble together the chronology and the facts that have slowly emerged piecemeal, it is obvious:
a) BB2014 proposed the RFL a deal
b) RFL said OK we accept you, but we don't like the deal much so the following sanctions will apply
c) BB2014 said no, stuff that, we do not agree
d) therefore there was no deal.

It looks like therefore the RFL acted precipitously, never considering that BB2014 might not agree (after all, the RFL had the precedent of their last minute ultimata to OK which he was pressurised into accepting, so probably they thought Moore & Co. would roll over in the same way).

But the deal was never done, and so the points should never have been deducted as that was simply a part of the deal - indeed it was a huge slap in BB2014's face precisely based on what deal they had offered. It was only what it was, BECAUSE OF the nature of that offer. The RFL simply never thought BB2014 would walk away. When that happened they should immediately have confirmed that the points proposal, like the whole deal, had never been completed.

Exactly what I've been saying since we recieved the 6 points, it was a penalty for going into administration, to be applied to the new owners and the club when we exited administration, with any consideration on reducing the 6 points to 4 or 2 taken on how the new owner/club exited administration and their plans. (so the rfl have been quoted as saying) and thats all fair enough, and if it stayed at 6 and was explained why then fine...but thats not what happened.

The RFL hit us with the 6 points when they did almost in a fit of anger with moore and co, before any deal was signed and whilst we were still trying to exit admin (and it could/probably did affect the value of any bid after the deduction). The 6 points was to be a condition of the BB2014 purchase, but it was applied to the league table immediately - surely it should have been removed when the BB2014 bid failed and only reapplied after fresh consideration "after" Mr Greens bid was successfull?? (and if it was still 6 points, and explained why then fine)

The RFL have said in print that the club/new owners can appeal, and Mr Green has said they are looking at in internally, but I really, really hope they do appeal, if for no other reason as we might get some clarity on the situation, because its not clear as far as Im concerned.



edit, pretty much as FA said before I could type the above, oh well.

great minds and all that ...

You know, most of the time you are completely on the mark, and that is why so many people on here cannot take to you. A lot you say is just not what some people want to hear said about their team. However, most of it is spot on and I cannot fault it. I agree with the majority of it, and, given your penchant for annoying people, the fact that you have avoided a ban thus far suggests that the mods are in agreement that what you say has a certain amount of merit, if not said in a somewhat provocative manner.

In essence, it could be said that we are two peas in a pod.

However, I cannot let this, above, lie. This must be the most ironic post I have ever seen on this board. A London fan having a go at attendances?? Really??

And as if that was bad enough you then have a pop at the ground. I accept that it is not exactly the Ritz, most of us on here would agree on that but at least we are not a bunch of gypsies who have to regularly go, cap in hand, to anyone who will have us. You have probably had more super league grounds than you have amassed super league points during your "illustrious" tenure in the top flight.

I actually thought that you were better than that. Clearly not.

This made me smile

gutterfux is an attention seeker. He tends to post crazy shiit like that when he's feeling ignored, just like the 3 year old in the supermarket aisle having a tantrum to get her mam's attention.

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"Meanwhile, supporters who have already pre-purchased a ticket - or are a BELONG 2014 season-ticket holder - will be able to gain access through turnstiles 7, 8, 16, 17, 32 and 38."

I'm taking that as confirmation my season ticket is being honoured.