But wanting Wigan to win anything, rather than your bitterest local rivals, is still beyond me.

Our apologies. What we should do is constantly want Leeds to win everything, even when they play Bradford, since they helped us out a short while back.

I can see it now, in 20 years, when a young 20 year old Rhinos fullback has a bad game and a Bulls fan laughs at him, Billy popping on here to abuse said Bulls fan and remind him they helped us out and we're ungrateful blah blah blah. Like those idiots at the Magic Weekend chanting about being ungrateful, who somehow don't seem to understand that a friendly rivalry doesn't mean hatred.

Leeds are local rivals for us. Most of our fans don't want them to win because of that. Hardly anyone wants the people at the club or the club itself to fall under actual hard times other than just losing games.

Learn that a rivalry is just that. It's not malicious, it's not vindictive, it's just a rivalry. Untwist your knickers and enjoy your game.

I'm not sure what we do when Leeds play Warrington though. They helped us out a bit too. Who do we cheer on? Are we ungrateful if we don't want both teams to win?

goes to show that been the most consistent team in regular season does not guarantee you success and for the third year in a row the team that has finished top has failed to make the final, hoping Wigan can beat Leeds tomorrow but I don't see it happening.

Thought Carvell ran very strong tonight,looking forest to seeing him next year.Always impressed with Ferguson

Hudds are another team full of great palyers who appear to have an inability to spin the ball along the back line at speed. Leeds are the same. Only WIgan that I can think of do it regularly & impressivley, with numerous options of dummy runners. The others just seem to pass for the sake of it, hoping a 3/4 will step his opposite number & power through.

I thought Ratchford linked the play well yesterday, the 3rd (I think) Warrington try was very pleasing on the eye. Briers ball through the middle of 2 dummy runners was superb. I think Ratchford was standing behind the ptb originally, great movement. Huddersfield always looks susceptible when Warraington worked the overlap.

I agree, they both played well I thought. It shows the improvement in our recruitment when we sign two good performers from the playoff semis, who their respective fans would rather keep (money and all things begin equal).

And as Carvell is a confirmed Bull for next year I'd like him and therefore wire to win the final as opposed to Leeds or Wigan.

Both of Monaghan's tries were from superb handling (especially from Bridge who has been poor of late), but that was almost from set moves near the line designed to create the gap for the winger. I was meaning more from much deeper on the pitch, where the ball sweeps from one side to the other at high speed with numerous options. Apart from Charnely & Tomkins I think Wigan's back line is extremely average with very little true pace, but they look dangerous every time they do it.

I think they're both exceptional players for a club in our position. If we want to progress they are exactly what we need and Franny Cummins should be commended for convincing them to sign on the dotted.