I'm sure there's deeper problems at Bradford that their own fans are knowledgable of and I am not.

But from the outside looking in it was evident from the get go that you went for quantity over quality in respect of your recruitment.

What happened then? I would have said when McNamara got hold of the team.

Iestyn Harris.

I think it's slowly dawning on a lot of people that there's going to be no quick fix. We show up week after week hoping for a turning point; in reality we're praying for a miracle. If anything this season is turning out worse that last. Yesterday was a very dark day.

Sadly I see a further demise. The Pledge scheme was a great idea but what are we going to do to retain the fan base next year? We were promised 'a new era' but it's just not being delivered. I don't think Potter is going to leave us in any better position than he found us to be honest.

What we put out on the park is the only way to make us money - but even when we were winning titles fans deserted the club. With the progress being made elsewhere in Super League it is not beyond the bounds of possibility to see us losing our licence by the end of the decade.

Has a club ever fallen from grace so quickly?

Its sad to see the demise of the once mighty bulls, especially the effect it has on the fans. I remember only too well the hammerings dished out to the wire by the bulls in the superleague era and loosing 2 challenge cup semis. The bulls players were so big and seemed to have a giant in every position. The seemed almost unbeatable. I still find it hard to believe that it is now wire that is handing out the hammerings and the Bulls taking such a pounding. It is a privelage for me to see Warrington doing so well but we will have to win a few more things yet to match what the Bulls have done.
I Hope for the Bulls fans sake that things pick up, believe me i know what its like following a poor team. For the sake of the competition we need a strong bulls team - except when they play wire!!

I wish the season would end right now before we are embarrassed even more than we already are. How do we rescue a season from here with a squad decimated by injuries and average players taking to the field each week. In many ways we are lucky that there is no relegation as I think we would be looking at this as a fight for survival right now.

this is a riduculously stupid thread

riiiiiiight.

thanks Adeybull, my exact analysis at the start of the season when the fantasy footballers were bemoaning the lack of Aussie superstars signings. And you dont need to read the accounts to work it out: If we had the money we would not have any space under the cap, it would be spent.

I find it absolutely amazing that any Bulls fan could think that we had a hope against Warrington, my view is that we get the points we need to get into the playoffs by beating mid to bottom teams by just one point if necessary nine times to get us the 18 more points we need to get there. and on that note one good thing that happened for the Bulls yesterday is that KR lost to Wakefield, ok by 2 points, but that is exactly what we have to do.

So forget the game yesterday, it was irrelevant to achieving the target for the season. we need 6 points from the next three SL games ie Hull Kr Salford and Quins. That is a big step on the way to the playoffs, and will give the lads a bit of confidence too. If they can do it.

And at the start of the season I said I would be happy to get into the playoffs PROVIDED the younger players had not been over-played, which is also the message from Hood in that article. So despite saying I would not want Leon back in previous threads, right now a fit Leon would be a big help as would Mason, both to take pressure off the kids and put a bit of edge into our play, particularly defence, and help restart the season. and Kearney could stay at FB all the time when he returns, and Briggs would have a mentor that has done it all. So a bit more positional stability would be a good thing, utility players are all very well, but you can have too many of them, we need a full time SO and a full time FB

If we all know where we're deficient and I wouldn't disagree with a lot that has been said, why isn't our coach fixing it? Why are we so unfit? What set plays are we working on in training? Why can't we string more than one pass together and let the ball do some work for a change? Why do the players look so uninterested? Why are everybody elses 'kids' ready and ours aren't? Why are we getting so many injuries, is it our conditioning or pre-match drills? Why didn't we give the players we've signed a chance to play in a settled position instead of chopping and changing all the time? Why have we signed a stand-off we don't play? Why did we sign a highly rated Scrum Half we don't play, cos the Aussie version ain't got it I'm afraid? if this a three year turn around, why has the coach only got a two year deal?

Some answers are needed, and fast. If the club is rotten to the core as eluded to on here where is the problem and who needs to go so we can

Thanks for the reply Adey, so seems it is a combination of factors that have contributed to the Bulls current status. You have the fan base there, I suppose it is a matter of maintaining and growing this again but onfield matters would have to improve to do that.

My main observation about your set up and this has been stated many times is the ground and its drain on finances. If valuable funds are being spent on the ground this will be at the expense of spending on additional or better players up to the cap limit. I know plans aren't going well for redevelopment but why not share with Bradford City? I read earlier they are having financial difficulties so maybe a ground share would benefit both parties. When I attended VP during your season there it didn't seem a bad ground, apart from the away end and being further away from the motorway. I know Bulls fans may not like the idea of a groundshare but it could be the way forward. Not all SL clubs own their own ground now, even the SL Champs.

This is over-simplistic. I understand knee-jerk "sack everybody" reactions after a debacle like Warrington, or Salford, but what you have to factor in to the equation is the same coach and the same squad putting in monster efforts like against Cas, Leeds and others. Why aren't we faultless every week? I don't know, but if you blame Potter for Warrington/Salford then do you equally give Potter the credit for the good performances we have put in?


Don't buy that.


A good question.


As our good performances show, though, we actually can. The question would be, why do we have weeks where it looks as if we've had our hands chopped off? (Although my perennial moans about the ridiculous number of unforced errors we have been making these past few seasons must sadly continue).


I would say "some of" - but THAT is to me the big question. And has been for some time. Not so far this year, but more than once last season and before we have actually had first team players admit in the press that there were colleagues who had not been putting it all in. No names were named, but most of them surely remain at the club.

It is quite shocking to see where the Bulls are languishing at present, It's almost like seeing a club in freefall, It is often easy to critisise and castigate when things arn't going your way

IMO you Bulls fans need to keep faith and more importantly keep up your support of your club going in it's time of need, you're clearly needed more now than you ever were during your recent glory years

I have one serious concern regarding the Bulls and i mentioned this at it's inception with my Bulls supporting friends, and that is in regards to the Pledge scheme

How could your club ever find a way back if all of it's pledge members refrain from renewing next time around, Or even if half it's members refrain from renewing for that matter?

That is a deeply worrying thought

Its not really.

The pricing, as this year, would reflect the number of (renewal) pledges. Fewer pledges = higher prices. You'd end up with similar income overall.

The worry is with the consequential loss of the loads of additional ancillary and sponsorship etc income the higher crowds have brought in.

The REAL worry though IMO is that if we don't turn it round soon we will not get a franchise come 2015.