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Quote: Gurus_Beard "Bailey is a wind up merchant supreme. It's his job, is controlled with it and is actually exceptional at doing so. Would love to see him doing it for us and add the nasty element we lack.

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No Sam Tomkins?? I'd put Widdop on the wing or at centre to accomodate Tomkins - he's one of our best attacking threat (in fact probably the best)

Gleeson would be a good shout, and I totally agree with you on Bailey. He's so frustrating to watch against your team- but that's often the sign of a good player.

I'd like to see Flanagan in the squad too but with the amount of backrowers we have you can see why he's been left out.

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Quote: Ewwenorfolk "No Sam Tomkins?? I'd put Widdop on the wing or at centre to accomodate Tomkins - he's one of our best attacking threat (in fact probably the best)

Gleeson would be a good shout, and I totally agree with you on Bailey. He's so frustrating to watch against your team- but that's often the sign of a good player.

I'd like to see Flanagan in the squad too but with the amount of backrowers we have you can see why he's been left out.'"


As I've said before, Bailey has the Joe Grima, Kurt Sorenson, Neil Cowie, Barrie Mac factor - sheer bloody annoyance but very good at what they set out to achieve; disruption. To draw in and experienced guy like Radders in the first few minutes it's cleverer than many gave him credit for. Bailey against Anthony Watmough would be bums on seats stuff. And I'm sure Billy Slater would be his usual chopsy self.

Whoops left out old Sam. Yeah, Tomkins fullback and Widdop anywhere else in the backline. Seen very little of the guy but not many decent poms get big raps in the NRL like this lad seems to. Worthy of a spot.

As for Flanagan, again not seen a great deal of him. Interesting that he is deemed surplus as Wigan yet with the right structure around him is flying. Hmmm

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Quote: Ewwenorfolk "Does anyone apart from McNamara rate Griffin above the likes of Lynch, Scruton, Carvell, Coley or even Bailey?
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I would rate a lot more of the props than that above Griffin

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Quote: ex Bull Dog "I would rate a lot more of the props than that above Griffin'"

does seem a strange inclusion given some of names left out. But from a selfish club perspective I'm quite happy all our lads have been overlooked as we have another big turnover in playing staff and we need as long a pre-season as possible to try and gel the team.

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Quote: Maislebugs "So a lad who is deemed not good enough to play 7 for Huddersfield is the solitary scrum half in a touring party?

What has Steve Macnamara got against half backs? He didn't think we needed any at Bradford and he appears to have taken the same philosophy into the international set up. The one crumb of comfort is that Sykes hasn't been picked.'"


He has been playing at 7 lately and Brough at 9.

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Quote: Gurus_Beard "Without doubt elements of truth and logic there.

My point being is we have a large pool of "talent" right down to grassroots level but the obsession with anything antipodean being allowed to play for all our SL sides is a major hamstring in our international development, or lack of. Outstanding overseas players always benefit the comp. The concern is those "average" players getting in, again into nigh on every team. But then that goes back to the age old SL v Int debate. Ho hum.'"


See, I don't think that's right. I think SL was a much tougher competition 6 years ago because of the imports. I also think that younger players at the time needed to push that much harder to break into SL teams which leads to better players. The worst thing the RFL did was increase the number of teams while decreasing the number of available players.

The smartest thing to be done, if the RFL want to have a competitive England/GB team is to scrap quotas and amend the salary cap so that clubs that produce their own players are rewarded and have are able to keep hold of the young players they produce.

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Shocker. Sh!te coach picks a e squad.

Where is the surprise?

Anyway, he is Englands' problem now.

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Seen Flanagan a few times on Aussie TV. Not had a great season and it would be right to say he's sunk a little bit recently without trace...Ellis and Sam have looked the part though, but the Rabbito's have been using Sam at number 8 these last few games...and he's looked OK there.

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Quote: mystic eddie "Shocker. Sh!te coach picks a e squad.

Where is the surprise?

Anyway, he is Englands' problem now.'"


And hence everyone's 'problem'.

This apathy towards the national side doesn't help. Indicative at times of the collective national psyche. Or therein lack of.

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Quote: Gurus_Beard "And hence everyone's 'problem'.

This apathy towards the national side doesn't help. Indicative at times of the collective national psyche. Or therein lack of.'"


Nope. Indicative of the fact that I am Scottish and could not give a stuff about the fortunes of the England side.

So not "everyone's problem" at all. How insular.

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Quote: Roofaldo "See, I don't think that's right. I think SL was a much tougher competition 6 years ago because of the imports.'"


Not for mine. The top 4 teams along in this years semi's were far far stronger than the 2004 models.

Quote: Roofaldo " I also think that younger players at the time needed to push that much harder to break into SL teams which leads to better players. The worst thing the RFL did was increase the number of teams while decreasing the number of available players.'"


It happened at Leeds and to a degree Wigan. It's about clubs chosing to have faith or otherwise. Your point remains correct though.

Quote: Roofaldo "The smartest thing to be done, if the RFL want to have a competitive England/GB team is to scrap quotas and amend the salary cap so that clubs that produce their own players are rewarded and have are able to keep hold of the young players they produce.'"


Agreed with the first part. But the bun fight that would ensue with amending the salary cap for rewarding those retaining home produced players could be a 'mare. May have merits though, but for me, a simple reduction of any non EU qualified/overseas players to 2 or 3 would hit the spot. In other words eligible to play for any of the home nations, or you are in said bracket. Of course, there are employment laws but for too long these sort of issues have blighted the game and let the tail wag the dog. It could be sorted with some smart research and implementation.

But the RFL haven't the sweetbreads to do it.

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Quote: mystic eddie "Nope. Indicative of the fact that I am Scottish and could not give a stuff about the fortunes of the England side.

So not "everyone's problem" at all. How insular.'"


For those of us in England it is. Since you identify you aren't interested, jog on with your external unvalued Scottish opinions.

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Quote: Gurus_Beard "For those of us in England it is. Since you identify you aren't interested, jog on with your external unvalued Scottish opinions.'"


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Not allowed an opinion now because I am Scottish?

Great argument!

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Quote: mystic eddie "

97% of your opinions on here have zero value to anyone, a quick hands up would indicate that.

That you simply use England as your bangwagon to further have a chip at Steve Mac merely demonstrates what a narcissist you are.

So from that viewpoint it's probably best your half empty glass, remains even more half empty the other side of Hadrians wall.

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Quote: Gurus_Beard "97% of your opinions on here have zero value to anyone, a quick hands up would indicate that.

That you simply use England as your bangwagon to further have a chip at Steve Mac merely demonstrates what a narcissist you are.

So from that viewpoint it's probably best your half empty glass, remains even more half empty the other side of Adrians wall.'"


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