Sorry, back on topic, strange situation with Carvell, at hull today having a fitness test when your club are claiming he is under contract.

I reckon we might offer you a small fee to get this sorted and everyone can maybe move on.

BTW, what is tupe? I have no idea?

TUPE is transfer of contracts when an organization takes on the work previously carried out by another company, so protecting employees from losing their jobs when organizations take on work previously carried out by another. The argument is Carvell's contract TUPE transferred to new owners from OK Bulls. As an employee, Carvell had the right to refuse the TUPE transfer but needed to do it on day 1. If he did that he was free to look for employment elsewhere. This is exactly what Kopczak did. By the fact this case is still rumbling on 1 week later, my guess is that Carvell and his advisers didn't cover their backsides properly.

agreed, given our luck two props are better than one.

Thanks

So... Gareth Carvell must have been happy on the day we Tuped him over to the newco, otherwise there wouldn't have been an issue with him leaving.

His agent has then come in after the 1 day deadline (i think this is the case), and said to GC "Hull are interested, and i can get you more money and better security, but it may drag out a little as we are a little bit late in refusing the tupe" GC agrees to this, yet we have already registered him with the RFL.

GC then does a Peter Odemwingi, and drives over to Hull himself, hoping to force the issue.

The Hull paper says he's about to sign for them.

RHP and the Bulls then publicly state that GC is contracted to the Bulls and refuse to just let him leave for free.

It is then announced that GC is having a fitness test at Hull, but Lee Radford comes out and says GC and the Bulls situation is complicated, and Luke Gale is no longer a target.

I think there are 3 options to resolve this sorry saga.

1 - GC says sorry and resumes the deal with us (Bradford).

2 - Hull pay us for his registration,( amount we have paid in wages and expenses since his deal began).

3 - RFL will rule GC is a free agent and can sign for Hull for free.

My guess is option 2.

I think the RFL have said they get are not getting involved I could be wrong though.

Option 4 - Garreth Carvell and his team threaten legal action. Bulls can't afford the matter or don't want to go down that route. Bulls agree release of Carvell from contract and he joins Hull.

rlsome actual quotes from the carvell sagarl

Radford on gc;
[i"There are a lot of issues with the RFL and the Bulls and we’ll have to see how that one stands, but at the minute he is a registered Bradford player.

“If things change then my opinion will change on that.” [/i

RHP on gc
[iBulls chief executive Robbie Hunter-Paul said


On Gale;
[iFormer Bulls forward Radford said

[iOn Gale, Hunter-Paul added



....so, both bradford and hull publically accept that both Gale and Carvell are contracted Bradford players. The dialogue will be about the amount of compensation for carvell as gareth has clearly launched his teddy out of the pram and as Jammie said had done an odemwingie.

It looks to me like he probably never really wanted to play for us anyway, I'd take a guess that the bulls deal was created by his agent to put pressure on wire to offer a better deal (as I think they did offer him one) then wire refused and the bulls offer was probably the best on the table, with ull not interested at the time we might have been his only option, which is now not the case so hes done one. If thats anywhere near the case then he's better off without us and we're better off without him...its just the timings that cause the headache with a dominant prop shaped hole left in our front row days before the season starts. Get a settlement, get rid and use the loan system to get another prop in from somewhere and pray that Sidlow, Manase and Scruton dont get injured.

If hull hadn't lost most of their front line through injuries they probably wouldn't
'be interested and non on this would happen

OPTION 5

GC stays at bulls and has a mystery illness, he isn't fit to play so is being paid a high wage and Bulls are still short of props......They agree to release him so they can offload his wage and get in much needed cover...... GC has a miracle recovery and plays for Hull the following week......

My understanding of TUPE is that employess transfered cannot suffer financialy or in a negative way throught the process.
The RUMOUR i heard was that this was not the case, Carvell is the test case so to speak, others will follow if sucessful, why the rfl are not getting involved , and why this is happening quickly (in legal terms).

Option 6 - This thing drags out, Leeds get a long tern injury to one of thier props. Carvells agent then snubs Hull and he joins Leeds, we then get Singleton as a sweetener. Hull are miffed, Bulls are better off and Leeds get a prop.
Oh and Carvell gets more money and doesn't have to travel as far, and his agent gets to got to the Bahamas on holiday.

Oh I love rumours. My rumours bigger than your rumour.

Which is why i STATED CLEARLY IT WAS A RUMOUR BY USING CAPITAL LETERS!!
The first sentence was however; based on fact and if it is the case i can see the RUMOUR having some basis to it.
THAT IS ALL!!

Well it makes as much sense as anything else on here, I'm in!!!