Cant say I remember many if any occassions of ticketless fans forcing entry en masse in the 80's. Trying to gain entry without a ticket ("jibbing"icon_wink.gif certainly went on, it still does. But it always seemed to be one of those activities that was more effective when carried out individually in amongst fans with tickets. Doing it in large numbers and drawing attention to yourself wouldnt have been a good idea.

Some years after the disaster (and don't forget it WAS a disaster) I moved next to the Hillsborough ground at Parkside Road opposite the park. Many of my neighbours were there on the awful day. To a man and woman they agreed that there was no evidence of misbehaviour by either set of fans on the day-- and believe me they had seen many examples of bad behaviour at football matches and dreaded the arrival of certain clubs. So I have no personal experience of that day but as someone who went to live there believing the official version of events, my neighbours descriptions caused me to have doubts about what we had been told.
It is not anyone being PC-- it is the truth that has emerged after all these years.

It is the Report that is "right".

How ironic, when the whole world now knows definitively what happened, and that indisputably it is you, inexcusably and inexplicably still trying to perpetuate what are proven myths, who is living in your own little world of denial.

To be fair I heard Trevor Hicks in an interview on Radio Leeds yesterday afternoon say "He felt some fans reacted that way because that was the nature of some, just like if you went to any city centre on a Saturday night you always saw trouble," but I think he was trying to be fair minded

I have pretty much now sifted through the whole of the report, and find the revelations shocking, if a little unsurprising. I feel very strongly that not only the police, but the Sheffield council, The football club and the FA also need to be brought to task on this whole issue.

I once attended a football match where 56 people didnt make it home, when as an 8 year old I was in the paddock area of the main stand as that disaster unfolded. I suffered nightmares regularly for many years and still do now as a 35 year old, but far less often. Mentally, I was helped massively by reading the book written by Paul Firth as I then realised that my feelings were shared by many. So I can fully empathise with the Hillsborough families and the citizens of liverpool with their search for truith and now justice. infact my almost OCD behaviour when researching the Bradford City disaster and the hillsborough disaster probably stems from my own need for truth and the facts.

We need to also view the report with a sense of context, which i feel doesnt come through as much . Having read it and seen many very emotional responses, i feel that we need to remember that the people who are culpable are judged by the standards of 1989 and not 2012. We have learned so much from bradford and hillsborough, and the way tha stadia are built, designed, operated, stewarded and policed has changed almost beyond recognition, mainly as a result of these two incidents and the Popplewell and Taylor reports that followed them.

Although there was no evidence of any hooliganism on that day, there was still plenty of it around, both inside and outside grounds. I was cought up in a riot at Odsal in 1986 when City played Leeds there. Believe me, this was very unpleasant and the police had a hell of a job on keeping people safe from thugs. whilst that wasnt the case on that fateful day, thatw as the context that the police operation was run under. and at the time that was accepted and normal. Using today's standards it isnt!

That is all you need my friend. THE TRUTH is out and JUSTICE is next to come.

I put , ' Any fan of any large club ' , it could have been any , Man U,Arsenal,Villa ,

But ' blockading ' the turnstyles would achieve exactly what happened , there was the possibility of loss of life outside the stadium , that is why the gates were opened , the police where put in an untenable situation

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Interesting reading how the very same nearly happened in the 1987 FA Cup semi final at Hillsborough - rlLinkrl, then there's the reports of Spurs in 1981 at Hillsborough.

Also, just months after Hillsborough, was reading about a crush when Leeds visited Ayresome Park - rlLinkrl

The Hillsborough Independent report looks pretty thorough - so where is the evidence to suggest that fans were to blame for this happening?

Where is your evidence for this?

I remember attending Ayresome parh in the early 80 s , Not sure if there were fatalities , but after the match the away fans [ Man Utd ] left the away stand and were left waiting in the area behind the stand while the home fans were dispersed , it was brick walled with large wooden gates to exit , eventually the pressure exerted on the gates caused the hinges and surrounding bricks to give way and the gates fell outwards trapping leaving Boro supporters , a mounted police officer outside jumped his horse over the gates and reared it up to prevent us [ away Man Utd ] fans from running out over the gates and causing further injury

Watch the documentary that was aired earlier this week week on itv player, or read the report. both say that there was significant crowding and crushing in the area around the leppings lane turnstiles outside the ground and the gate was opened by the police to try and releive this. many LFC fans who were there also stated that they feared for their safety outside the ground.

the crushing outside the ground is seen now as fact!

sadly the nature of football grounds and football crowds in the 70-80s brings many tales of similar instances where this type of disaster was waiting to happen!

at least two were noted between 1981 and 1988 at hillsborough. its just that SWFC, the FA, SYP and SCC decided to ingore it! fans were routinely treated like cattle in those days.

Quite often their behaviour warranted it