I'm not asking for change.

It's what Morrissey sang about isn't it?

So any experience you get from something that vibrates is not subjective?

And when you hear FA fart in the pub, are you saying that the fart is a pure subjective experience, notwithstanding that the pub would still stink even if there was no-one else there to hear his fart?

Getting back to referees.
They do get stood down if they mess up big time!
Hence no game this week for Alibert after he awarded Warrington a try on the 7th tackle v Wakefield.

But he'll be back the following week even if he has another stinker in the championship.

IMO there are too few full time refs.

To be honest, I don't know how they manage to keep count at all, what with all the other things they have to think about.

They do though, virtually always, which is proved by the thousands at every game, counting along just to check.....That to me is the biggest surprise, along of course with the fact that so many fans [ido[/i bother to count the tackles to themselves.

....but have you ever opened the door to check?

It would be a meaningless check

Not sure we are all talking about the same thing. I suspect what most people have in mind in the context of this discussion is that tiny part of the electromagnetic spectrum which our eyes can detect, i.e. "visible light".

The fridge light would continue to "shine" even when off. A human observer would say the light was off, but unless it was cooled to absolute zero it would always continue to emit radiation, which would (for example) be readily visible through an infrared camera.

We can't see it due to the very narrow range of our eyes, but a light bulb which is off, and cooled to a mere zero degrees C is in terms of radiation an extremely bright object.

The converse is often observed in many RL touch judges, where frequently, there's a light on, but no-one home.

Honest opinion? Capitalist poseurs. Fook 'em.

What if those in the hot air balloon have escaped from capitalist tyranny in a balloon made from used toilet tissue stuck together with mucus, the basket made from hand woven coppiced willow from a disabled lesbian workers' co-operative, powered by methane recovered from a community anearobic digestion unit with carbon capture & heat reclamation on the balloon?

Kosovans? Fook 'em.