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Quote: Adeybull "If only.

We are now late next week, hours from the payroll having to be submitted, with seemingly no realistic expressions of interest. Everyone has been whipped up to a frantic state and become increasingly desperate as the deadline has come ever closer is upon them. The hero rides in as the "rescuer" of last resort, saying that since no-one else seems prepared to save the club he feels it is his responsibility to. What a selfless public-spirited hero, indeed!

Since the situation is by then very dire the terms are necessarily not entirely to the Bulls' advantage, of course. The Bulls go to VP, cutting BCFC's costs significantly and making their board look like heroes. The RFL surrender the lease to the council, for somewhat more than they paid for it, so the RFL board (for once) look like heroes for turning in a tidy profit. A well known guy with interests in distribution etc buys the Odsal site from the council, who make a big profit on the sale and so look heroes to the council taxpayers. He in turn creates new jobs on the site as a result, so he looks a hero to the people of Bradford.

Everyone, indeed, claims to be the hero. Its win win win all round. What a result!

And the Bulls fans and staff? Those who are retained? Well we are told we too are the winners, since we should be grateful we still have a club to support, even though with lot less to spend than previous budgets.

In my fictional account, I'd probably need to indicate whether or not this was all the plan right from the start, and whether the delay in going into administration was also planned notwithstanding further tax liabilities building up in the interim, which would then be defaulted upon. I'd probably also need to indicate whether the pledge was extremely helpful in that it reduced the amounts the new owner had to shell out, so he had no reason to have wanted to see it fail. Even if he may have been pleased that any prospective alternative funders may have been frightened off at the last minute by becoming aware of all the infighting, even though most of the pledge funds had been committed by then.

But, as I said, it would be a work of fiction and doubtless events will soon show that it never actually happened anything like that way, so it would be out of date well before I finished writing it. Wouldn't it?'"


I don't think this sequence is far off the mark - in fact it may be almost inevitable..

As to plans and engineering - I doubt we will ever know as has already been pointed out at length.

Since the start of this chapter in our history, I (and you) have learnt a lot about the mis-management of our club. I am no longer interested in dissecting it and blame - its pointless now and won't solve anything. However, like most - I am angry and disappointed by the way things have panned out.

Since the shift of power - I continue to be wound up by the deafening silence from the top - I feel like cannon fodder - only needed to pay money over the gate - sod off and don't ask questions.

And so to my point - Assuming we survive, remain in SL and play at VP.. and assuming that the club / support base relationship is at an all time low - where do we begin?

How will we react if CC starts his usual diatribes via the T & A - turn up in thousands? Or think sod you mate?

I think we need a new figure head and one that engages with the support base real quick - but cannot see that happening.

Anyone else feeling the same?

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Quote: Adeybull "If only.

If I had to write a fictional future history of how this might all pan out, I'd maybe pen something like the following, since it could never really work out this way, could it?

We are now late next week, hours from the payroll having to be submitted, with seemingly no realistic expressions of interest. Everyone has been whipped up to a frantic state and become increasingly desperate as the deadline has come ever closer is upon them. The hero rides in as the "rescuer" of last resort, saying that since no-one else seems prepared to save the club he feels it is his responsibility to. What a selfless public-spirited hero, indeed!

Since the situation is by then very dire the terms are necessarily not entirely to the Bulls' advantage, of course. The Bulls go to VP, cutting BCFC's costs significantly and making their board look like heroes. The RFL surrender the lease to the council, for somewhat more than they paid for it, so the RFL board (for once) look like heroes for turning in a tidy profit. A well known guy with interests in distribution etc buys the Odsal site from the council, who make a big profit on the sale and so look heroes to the council taxpayers. He in turn creates new jobs on the site as a result, so he looks a hero to the people of Bradford.

Everyone, indeed, claims to be the hero. Its win win win all round. What a result!

And the Bulls fans and staff? Those who are retained? Well we are told we too are the winners, since we should be grateful we still have a club to support, even though with lot less to spend than previous budgets.

In my fictional account, I'd probably need to indicate whether or not this was all the plan right from the start, and whether the delay in going into administration was also planned notwithstanding further tax liabilities building up in the interim, which would then be defaulted upon. I'd probably also need to indicate whether the pledge was extremely helpful in that it reduced the amounts the new owner had to shell out, so he had no reason to have wanted to see it fail. Even if he may have been pleased that any prospective alternative funders may have been frightened off at the last minute by becoming aware of all the infighting, even though most of the pledge funds had been committed by then.

But, as I said, it would be a work of fiction and doubtless events will soon show that it never actually happened anything like that way, so it would be out of date well before I finished writing it. Wouldn't it?'"


Unfortunately I find your work of fiction to be just too unbelievable as it requires the reader to believe that both Bradford Council and the RFL are competent organisations with a degree of foresight and business acumen. As a work of fiction, you might get away with asking the reader to suspend disbelief and accept that of one of those organisations but not both.

It is particularly incredible for you to portray RFL in that way, just one day after their suggestion that a Supporters Trust could be formed and funded and smoothly take over the running of the Bulls within a one week timeframe.

As far as Bradford Council are concerned, your work of fiction requires the reader to accept that they have a core skill in managing and trading large holes in the ground.

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Quote: M@islebugs "Why would Peter Hood, supported by the investors who were put off by his removal from the board, wait until next week. Here is an opportunity to purchase the whole club; who he believes has had its financial problems overstated and be rid of his nemesis forever. Surely the investors who were put off as you suggest CC inteneded, would leap at what are now far better terms for them and with no risk whatsoever of their man being removed at future AGMs.'"


There were no investors.

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Quote: Errol Stock "I don't think this sequence is far off the mark - in fact it may be almost inevitable..

As to plans and engineering - I doubt we will ever know as has already been pointed out at length.

Since the start of this chapter in our history, I (and you) have learnt a lot about the mis-management of our club. I am no longer interested in dissecting it and blame - its pointless now and won't solve anything. However, like most - I am angry and disappointed by the way things have panned out.

Since the shift of power - I continue to be wound up by the deafening silence from the top - I feel like cannon fodder - only needed to pay money over the gate - sod off and don't ask questions.

And so to my point - Assuming we survive, remain in SL and play at VP.. and assuming that the club / support base relationship is at an all time low - where do we begin?

How will we react if CC starts his usual diatribes via the T & A - turn up in thousands? Or think sod you mate?

I think we need a new figure head and one that engages with the support base real quick - but cannot see that happening.

Anyone else feeling the same?'"

Fair points Errol but, sadly, it boils down that old adage about beggars and choosers. And that's if we're lucky. As supporters, we're just like a piece of straw blowing in the wind as far as having any effect on anything is concerned.

Actually. I suspect you know where (the majority) will be on the fateful day - trooping up to Odsal (or down to VP) as usual. Been going too long to change now - 1953 and counting and, as I've said before, my support is for the team and club not the board or chairman.

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Quote: Cibaman "Unfortunately I find your work of fiction to be just too unbelievable as it requires the reader to believe that both Bradford Council and the RFL are competent organisations with a degree of foresight and business acumen. As a work of fiction, you might get away with asking the reader to suspend disbelief and accept that of one of those organisations but not both.

It is particularly incredible for you to portray RFL in that way, just one day after their suggestion that a Supporters Trust could be formed and funded and smoothly take over the running of the Bulls within a one week timeframe.

As far as Bradford Council are concerned, your work of fiction requires the reader to accept that they have a core skill in managing and trading large holes in the ground.'"


I fear your argument is irrefutable icon_sad.gif maybe I'd get away with it if it was instead classified under the "fantasy" section?

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Quote: Adeybull "I fear your argument is irrefutable

Fantasy horror perhaps

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My publisher is on the case...

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Quote: Adeybull "My publisher is on the case...'"


Don't suppose you got a £1.2m advance?

You should ask for even more as I gather sadism is a popular literary trend at present - and we the fans have certainly been subjected to some "rough" treament of late. I have still have the burn marks round my wallet - but hey I thought I was doing some good at the time

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Quote: Adeybull "My publisher is on the case...'"

Perhaps you need a lawyer to lookk after your interests. I'm sure the Bulls know of one or though I could not guarantee his competency

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Quote: Adeybull "I suggested nothing. But maybe you know something I do not?

Where's Fox? He's normally close behind.'"



Sorry? You've suggested nothing?

You haven't repeatedly suggested that it was at least a possibility that Peter Hood could have achieved the required investment and that the actions of Chris Caisley sabotaged said investment?

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Quote: M@islebugs "Sorry? You've suggested nothing?

You haven't repeatedly suggested that it was at least a possibility that Peter Hood could have achieved the required investment and that the actions of Chris Caisley sabotaged said investment?'"


Careful, you're not allowed to critisize Adey eusa_naughty.gif , you'll have his mafia on to you icon_rolleyes.gif

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No I haven't.

I have repeatedly said that it was at least a possibility that Hood could have achieved the required investment (although I believe it was mostly Ryan's work, which is one big reason that I rate the possibility much higher than many others do).

And I have repeatedly said that the action of Caisley in making public the internal strife, stating he had no confidence in the board and intended to remove them at the earliest opportunity, and especially in the manner he did and at the time he did, IMO almost certainly served to undermine those efforts, and frighten off the would-be investors.

What I have been very careful throughout NOT to say - because I can have no way of knowing - was what the motives behind that intervention were. "Sabotage" is deliberate. Do you know if it was deliberate, or (as I keep saying) just extremely unfortunate timing? I don't. Only he, and maybe others close to him, knows the answer to that, and how clear or otherwise their consciences therefore should be.

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And yet in this fictional world there appears to be no possibility, or one you've felt worth merit, of Hood and his investors re-entering the frey and buying the club outright.

It seems an odd ommission considering that you've suggested that his securing of investment was, at least a possibility and that Hood asserts and presumably believes the club's financial position is not what Guilfoyle is stating.

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Quote: financialtimes "Lots of Wakey fans told you what was going to happen, lots of Wakey fans told you what needed to be done, Lots of wakey fans told you not to support the pledge but to set up a supporters trust with the money being pledged rather than give it to a defunct BoD.
You told all the Wakey fans that we were wrong and to top it all lots of fans from all over the RL community told you the reason for the RFL buying the Odsal lease was to help bail the bulls out of financial ruin and you disagreed with that.
When I say "You" I am actually referring to "You" Adey, you are an ostrich you come across to the fans on here as knowing what is going on but in truth you know "Jack"
I think it's about time you come clean on here it's not fair on the rest of the bulls fans for you to keep leading them down the garden path

You were told but you did not listen

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Quote: M@islebugs "And yet in this fictional world there appears to be no possibility, or one you've felt worth merit, of Hood and his investors re-entering the frey and buying the club outright.

It seems an odd ommission considering that you've suggested that his securing of investment was, at least a possibility and that Hood asserts and presumably believes the club's financial position is not what Guilfoyle is stating.'"


I must have missed your apology for levelling a false accusation - maybe you posted it on another thread?

And I would have thought it was obvious - to anyone at least who does not assume that everyone else is driven by pursuit of power and status and authority - why I have never once ever considered the possibility of Hood making a pitch for the business himself?

I have assumed all along that he was a reluctant chairman doing what he felt was what was best for the business - you know that because I have said it enough times. He himself has as good as said it. So the answer to your question is: because I have always assumed he never wanted to, and would always have been happy to hand over the reins to someone he felt he could safely entrust them to. Maybe a concept that would be alien to someone like Caisley, but who knows?

I saw his face after the intervention. He was in a bad place. In his position, and I guess assuming that I would be pursued by Caisley even harder bcause of the loss of his shareholding, I would just want to get the hell out of it.

But I have only spoken to Hood twice this year - at the fans forum and at the meeting we held with him before Easter. So, like Caisley, I really cannot say anything about what his motives and intentions were beyond what I learned on those two occasions.

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