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Player has to have both feet behind or level with the ball to be placed onside..the ball is the main object not the foot, he doesnt have to be level or behind kickers back foot otherwise he would be 2 foot behind the ball..ie clearly onside.
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| Quote: Bully_Boxer "Well it could do with clarifying,'"
Agree on that, the fact that it is being debated, with nobody having a clear answer, is proof enough of that.
Quote: Bully_Boxer " I've seen 40/20's given where the ball has crossed the 40 but the back foot is inside the 40. So I assumed the ref's judged it on the players back foot rather than where the ball is in the air as contact is made with the boot. Surely that ruling makes it almost impossible for a ref to make a call without slow motion replays?'"
I'm not sure that I've seen that. But it is not inconsistent. In the case you cite, the BALL is outside the 40. So it has not been kicked from inside the 40. This would mean that the position of the ball, when struck by the kicking foot, is what fixes the relevant point on the pitch.
If that's right, then all the chaser had to be is feet not in front of the point where the ball was kicked by the kicking foot.
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| Quote: Bullpower "Beats me as to what's happened to the enthusiasm that Saint's always used to have. It always seemed irrepressible to the point of frustration, for opposing fans.
The players they have certainly have the right skill sets. [iWhy [/idon't they have that "Saint's Team Spirit" / winning mentality, no matter who they're playing/how long there is left?
Whilst I know the Whino's defence restricted their play that wasn't the Saints of earlier this year/the past. In fairness it was the Saint'steam I've watched on SKY over the last few months.
Their get up and go seems to have got up and gone ![]()
Simple. No more quick PTBs. The likes of Roby, Pryce, Long and Wilkin mostly look good running against a retreating defensive line. That's why they've been quiet all season. Last year Saints were dependent on quick PTBs, scoots from Cunningham and Roby and piggyback penalties. The loophole has been closed 
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| Quote: Trimalchio "Simple. No more quick PTBs. The likes of Roby, Pryce, Long and Wilkin mostly look good running against a retreating defensive line. That's why they've been quiet all season. Last year Saints were dependent on quick PTBs, scoots from Cunningham and Roby and piggyback penalties. The loophole has been closed ![]()
Did i not say something similar at the top of the page?
No-one listens to me any more! 
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| Quote: Trimalchio "Simple. No more quick PTBs. The likes of Roby, Pryce, Long and Wilkin mostly look good running against a retreating defensive line. That's why they've been quiet all season. Last year Saints were dependent on quick PTBs, scoots from Cunningham and Roby and piggyback penalties. The loophole has been closed ![]()
Exactly, Saints have been exposed as one trick ponies, especially so given the nucleus of their successful sides has grown old.
Where we were once derided as being biffballers with no plan B it now looks like Saints have been rumbled as simple dummy half scooters with no plan B either.
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| Quote: ritz "Player has to have both feet behind or level with the ball to be placed onside..the ball is the main object not the foot, he doesnt have to be level or behind kickers back foot otherwise he would be 2 foot behind the ball..ie clearly onside.'"
I don`t know where you got your copy from but mine only mentions the player; in front of the KICKER is offside. |
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| Quote: Bulliac "I don`t know where you got your copy from but mine only mentions the player; in front of the KICKER is offside.'" Its what you get told on the refs course. |
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| Quote: Trimalchio "Simple. No more quick PTBs. The likes of Roby, Pryce, Long and Wilkin mostly look good running against a retreating defensive line. That's why they've been quiet all season. Last year Saints were dependent on quick PTBs, scoots from Cunningham and Roby and piggyback penalties. The loophole has been closed ![]()
Agree, that hasn't helped them . . . . . . but I still think there is more.
Whilst the quick play the balls gave them the head of steam they were always good at the footie in broken play / throwing the ball around - which isn't QPTB specific.
There be (more/greater) trouble at t'mill, I tell ye . . . . ..
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| Quote: Bullpower "There be (more/greater) trouble at t'mill, I tell ye . . . . .. ![]()
Aye, 'appen. 
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| Quote: Bully_Boxer "Well it could do with clarifying, I've seen 40/20's given where the ball has crossed the 40 but the back foot is inside the 40. So I assumed the ref's judged it on the players back foot rather than where the ball is in the air as contact is made with the boot. Surely that ruling makes it almost impossible for a ref to make a call without slow motion replays?'"
Agreed I've seen a fair few 40-20s given where the ball is being struck by the kicking foot over the 40m line but the non kicking foot is behind it. |
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| Quote: Bullseye "Agreed I've seen a fair few 40-20s given where the ball is being struck by the kicking foot over the 40m line but the non kicking foot is behind it.'"
That rule states(d) Where a player kicks the ball in general play from
any point in the area bounded by his own dead
ball line, 40 metre line and the touch lines and the
ball finds touch, otherwise than on the full, at a
point on the touchline between the opponents’ 20
metre line and goal line the kicker’s team shall be
deemed to be the non-offending team.'"
If the example you cite is given as a 40/20 then clearly the position of the ball and the kicking foot "outside" the 40 is being held irrelevant, and the ref is judging the player to have kicked the ball from the point where he "is" i.e. where his back foot is.
I suppose that's the same as any other 'line' decision, i.e. you can hang over the touchline as long as you don't touch the ground, you can bat a ball back into play from feet 'outside' the pitch as long as you are in mid-air and have jumped from in-field.
But I still reckon that if the kick did not make touch, then to be onside, a chasing player would only have to be level with or behind the ball - even if his feet were both slightly outside the 40. Anyway that's how i think they interpret it.
Thinking about this,
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[rlOnside/offside clicky - you deciderl Edited to prevent Sky being peeved over copyright. AUP 1.2b - Photographs (inc. images) may only be posted where you own the copyright, or have been granted permission to do so. - BP
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I also found this in the rule book...
46.1.2 Onside/offside from a penalty.
An attacking player is offside during a penalty kick if he is in front of the kicker at the point the ball is struck. However, if the ball strikes one of the uprights and bounces back out to said "offside player" and he then goes on to score a match winning try the incident will be deemed as "funny" and the try will stand. (See rule amendment 49.2.4 - Funny)
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rlOnside/offside clicky - you deciderl Edited to prevent Sky being peeved over copyright. AUP 1.2b - Photographs (inc. images) may only be posted where you own the copyright, or have been granted permission to do so. - BP
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| Quote: Hollywood Harrigan "I also found this in the rule book...
46.1.2 Onside/offside from a penalty.
An attacking player is offside during a penalty kick if he is in front of the kicker at the point the ball is struck. However, if the ball strikes one of the uprights and bounces back out to said "offside player" and he then goes on to score a match winning try the incident will be deemed as "funny" and the try will stand. (See rule amendment 49.2.4 - Funny)'"
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