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| Quote: Bullmans Parade "Which would make the sudden suggestion of John kear all the more puzzling. he's still contracted to Wakefield so we would have to agree a compensation deal with them, and I suspect Kear would also command a higher wage than many of the other reported candidates. The whole situation is as clear as mud.'"
Undoubtedly if we're budgeting on 3k season ticket sales then the fact that we're just under half that means there's less money (though everyone saw this coming). How they'll get Kear I don't know. He won't come cheap. I suspect other candidates must have pulled out when they found out information such as projected budgets or their salary or both.
It all seems a bit odd but if the coaching salary is peanuts for a part time gig we'll be lucky to get anyone decent. I'm prepared to hear Leigh Beattie or John Bastian getting it.
This is what happens when you get an owner with no money who isn't good at marketing and PR.
However, if by some miracle we get Kear then it'll create a bit of a bounce. Whether it'll be enough to make up the budget black hole who knows?
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| Quote: Bullseye "Undoubtedly if we're budgeting on 3k season ticket sales then the fact that we're just under half that means there's less money (though everyone saw this coming). How they'll get Kear I don't know. He won't come cheap. I suspect other candidates must have pulled out when they found out information such as projected budgets or their salary or both.
It all seems a bit odd but if the coaching salary is peanuts for a part time gig we'll be lucky to get anyone decent. I'm prepared to hear Leigh Beattie or John Bastian getting it.
This is what happens when you get an owner with no money who isn't good at marketing and PR.
However, if by some miracle we get Kear then it'll create a bit of a bounce. Whether it'll be enough to make up the budget black hole who knows?'"
IF we get Kear (and that's a bloody big IF), then the club could do worse than extend the early bird offer. Not a lot of people are going to want to pay £199 for a terracing season ticket, regardless of who the coach is. At the early bird price, after announcing John Kear, they may just shift a few more.
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| I'm sure they would. I'd buy one if we landed Kear.
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Quote: HamsterChops "IF we get Kear (and that's a bloody big IF), then the club could do worse than extend the early bird offer. Not a lot of people are going to want to pay £199 for a terracing season ticket, regardless of who the coach is. At the early bird price, after announcing John Kear, they may just shift a few more.'"
As if by magic
www.bradfordbulls.co.uk/article/ ... -extension
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Quote: HamsterChops "IF we get Kear (and that's a bloody big IF), then the club could do worse than extend the early bird offer. Not a lot of people are going to want to pay £199 for a terracing season ticket, regardless of who the coach is. At the early bird price, after announcing John Kear, they may just shift a few more.'"
As if by magic
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| Quote: Bull Mania "As if by magic
That's assuming they announce the coach before Sunday though, otherwise it makes no difference really.
Perhaps they're hoping the rumour of Kear will get people to buy them, then they can announce Sharp or Bastian on Sunday.
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| Good idea to extend but waverers will need actual concrete nailed on confirmation of a decent head coach in post rather than just paper talk - if they're to stump up the cash.
I'm ready and waiting.
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| Quote: HamsterChops "Whilst I don't disagree with most of your point, it all boils down to Chalmers doesn't it? If what you are saying is accurate and he's the subject of poor advice, it's still him who hired these people and continues to listen to them.
It feels no different to previous owners. A man at the top who constantly fails to deliver on promises (albeit a much quieter one), surrounded by the same people.'"
Yeah it does boil down to Chalmers you are bang on the money. He is the decision maker and is responsible for the people around him. It does feel like he is holding the fort for someone and biding his time as his lack of interest in changing things that people have moaned about is very apparent
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| Quote: Molsk111 "At the end of the day it’s more broken promises, how the hell do they expect supporters to react, I honestly and truthfully wonder what is going off in there heads'"
Please come on and name these broken promises, as I can't remember many tbh.
When did AC say that the ticket postponement was due a hold up on the coach announcement?
Where did AC say there would be a coach announcement by a particular date?
I'm just interested as I see (again) lots of folk jumping up and down on the doom and gloom bandwagon and I really don't see any reason to panic. Does the club not have a squad (weak and young as it may be), have they not signed up new players, could they not survive even if we appointed someone like Leigh Beattie or John Bastian?
I'm really sorry to say this but the biggest weakness this club have got at the moment is our own supporters.
And before any of you start tapping away saying that you've invested ££££'s into the club over x number of years, don't bother... we all have done that and we've all suffered as the club have dropped through the leagues. BUT there is still a club to support.
I don't follow Bradford because of who the owner is, I follow Bradford because I am Bradford through and through. Boycotting the club will only kill it off as there is nobody left who would take it over.
You say you might go watch another club instead and want AC to go... who is going to take over the club? Really, who the hell is there???
Nobody is the answer so until a time where you win the lottery or someone who has lost their mind decides to invest (which is highly unlikely) I'll keep following the club, I'll turn up and do my little bit.
In the meantime, so long, farewell and good riddance.
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| Quote: thepimp007 "Yeah it does boil down to Chalmers you are bang on the money. He is the decision maker and is responsible for the people around him. It does feel like he is holding the fort for someone and biding his time as his lack of interest in changing things that people have moaned about is very apparent'"
In his recent blurb didn't he say we are Caretakers of this Club, in other words like most Caretakers just doing the necessary to keep things working! A bit different to being a Custodian or Curator methinks!
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| Quote: bullinenemyland "Please come on and name these broken promises, as I can't remember many tbh.'"
Short memory?
Promise to those fans off here that met him that the media numpty and his constant mistakes would be addressed. Clearly hasn't.
Club would appoint a new head coach no later than 10th December. According to all reports, they haven't. They have people they're talking to at an advanced stage maybe, but not appointed.
Shirt would be out (when was it again, beginning of December? I forget now). They're not.
Not a broken promise, but the clear and blatant lies about the away shirt being different to what was advertised. (No matter how you argue it, they either mis-sold pre-orders in the knowledge it was the wrong shirt, or someone lied afterwards when they said it was always supposed to be that one).
Constantly telling us the visa situation with Toovey would be sorted in the next week/month. Constantly missing that deadline. (Admittedly probably out of their control, but if that's the case, don't mention any idea of when).
You could now add "you must buy by this date for early bird price" as a lie too. Admittedly we all understand why they've done that and don't disagree with it, but it's still breaking a previously announced deadline
That's just off the top of my head, I know there are more. Whether people should be boycotting or not over these things is obviously open to argument. You have your opinion, others have theirs. But to suggest you can't remember any broken promises or lies, then you may want to see a doctor about your memory issues.
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| Quote: bullinenemyland "Please come on and name these broken promises, as I can't remember many tbh.
When did AC say that the ticket postponement was due a hold up on the coach announcement?
Where did AC say there would be a coach announcement by a particular date?
I'm just interested as I see (again) lots of folk jumping up and down on the doom and gloom bandwagon and I really don't see any reason to panic. Does the club not have a squad (weak and young as it may be), have they not signed up new players, could they not survive even if we appointed someone like Leigh Beattie or John Bastian?
I'm really sorry to say this but the biggest weakness this club have got at the moment is our own supporters.
And before any of you start tapping away saying that you've invested ££££'s into the club over x number of years, don't bother... we all have done that and we've all suffered as the club have dropped through the leagues. BUT there is still a club to support.
I don't follow Bradford because of who the owner is, I follow Bradford because I am Bradford through and through. Boycotting the club will only kill it off as there is nobody left who would take it over.
You say you might go watch another club instead and want AC to go... who is going to take over the club? Really, who the hell is there???
Nobody is the answer so until a time where you win the lottery or someone who has lost their mind decides to invest (which is highly unlikely) I'll keep following the club, I'll turn up and do my little bit.
In the meantime, so long, farewell and good riddance.'"
I can understand your frustration but I’m glad you’re not in charge of selling season tickets
I’d say that the club has done very well indeed to keep as many supporters as it has. The fact that so many are prepared to whine on about it on here (I include myself) at least shows people care.
At the end of the day though there will never be enough “uber supporters” like yourself that will put up with any situation only to have a club. You need to attract some others to make it remotely viable. So the sceptics, the cynics and the glass half empty lot can’t be just dismissed however much you’d like to.
If the club would improve its PR then a lot of the ill feeling could be defused.
I see myself as a realist. I accept that Chalmers is the only show in town, but that doesn't mean I have to pretend to be happy about it or to not point out where I think things are going wrong. I'll still be up there for games next season, but on the subject of buying a season ticket - a big commitment money wise - I'm needing more evidence we've turned the corner before I stump up.
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| Quote: HamsterChops "Short memory?
Promise to those fans off here that met him that the media numpty and his constant mistakes would be addressed. Clearly hasn't. '"
I would accept as the senior manager of a business that this is probably one of the most embarrassing aspects that could be improved. I think it has got better and up until recently hadn't been too bad. The main issue from what I can understand is that the website and social media has been outsourced to someone without the RL knowledge (or ability to spell it would seem). I think this whilst embarrassing isn't the most pressing issue for me and I would imagine that something has been said.
Quote: HamsterChops "Club would appoint a new head coach no later than 10th December. According to all reports, they haven't. They have people they're talking to at an advanced stage maybe, but not appointed.'"
Who says they haven't appointed? "According to all reports" suggests that you are listening to Gledhill or T&A. But even if they haven't, the press release say they "expect"... this is very different to definitely will appoint.
Quote: HamsterChops "Shirt would be out (when was it again, beginning of December? I forget now). They're not.'"
Yes, this is true but the club have been badly let down by the supplier. I know this is also the case for at least one other club too.
Quote: HamsterChops "Not a broken promise, but the clear and blatant lies about the away shirt being different to what was advertised. (No matter how you argue it, they either mis-sold pre-orders in the knowledge it was the wrong shirt, or someone lied afterwards when they said it was always supposed to be that one).'"
This was months ago, I think everyone has accepted the club handled this wrongly at the time.
Quote: HamsterChops "Constantly telling us the visa situation with Toovey would be sorted in the next week/month. Constantly missing that deadline. (Admittedly probably out of their control, but if that's the case, don't mention any idea of when). '"
Again months ago
Quote: HamsterChops "You could now add "you must buy by this date for early bird price" as a lie too. Admittedly we all understand why they've done that and don't disagree with it, but it's still breaking a previously announced deadline '"
Standard marketing ploy used universally. Been done pretty much every year there was an early bird discount at Bulls... never heard you complain about it before.
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| Quote: bullinenemyland "I would accept as the senior manager of a business that this is probably one of the most embarrassing aspects that could be improved. I think it has got better and up until recently hadn't been too bad. The main issue from what I can understand is that the website and social media has been outsourced to someone without the RL knowledge (or ability to spell it would seem). I think this whilst embarrassing isn't the most pressing issue for me and I would imagine that something has been said.'"
There's a difference between saying something and actually acting on it though. Just telling the kid "Try and run the bloody spellchecker will you?" isn't the same as actually addressing the issue.
Quote: bullinenemyland "Who says they haven't appointed? "According to all reports" suggests that you are listening to Gledhill or T&A. But even if they haven't, the press release say they "expect"... this is very different to definitely will appoint.'"
I've been very vocal on here previously that I don't believe a word either Gledhill or the T&A say. I'm going by actually respected journo reports. Like Ross Heppenstall in the Express, like Aaron Bower in League Express. Both saying discussions ongoing, but nothing finalised.
Quote: bullinenemyland "Yes, this is true but the club have been badly let down by the supplier. I know this is also the case for at least one other club too.'"
Maybe they have. So just come out and say so. If you make a promise and can't fulfil it because of someone else's issues, just make a small statement to explain that it's out of your hands and you're as frustrated as everyone else. Instead of just doing the usual Chalmers action of saying absolutely nothing and letting the fans get annoyed.
Quote: bullinenemyland "This was months ago, I think everyone has accepted the club handled this wrongly at the time.
Again months ago'"
They're still examples of broken promises and lies. Which is what you were asking for. Months ago or not, that's the kind of thing when people start losing trust.
Quote: bullinenemyland "Standard marketing ploy used universally. Been done pretty much every year there was an early bird discount at Bulls... never heard you complain about it before.'"
I've gotta be honest, I don't remember any previous Bulls early bird deadlines being extended. But I may well be wrong in that. Regardless though, it's still a case of giving a deadline and not sticking to it, even if the intentions are good ones.
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| Quote: Bullseye "I can understand your frustration but I’m glad you’re not in charge of selling season tickets
Haha... its fair to say that I'm a believer that negativity spreads negativity and some on here are just being negative for the sake of it (off season boredom maybe?).
I wouldn't ever suggest the club have made no mistakes, they've made very many. However, had history not been what it is I doubt it would have stoked up such loathing and resentment against the current owners. And lets face facts, its not the current owners that have got us into this position.
I've known you on these kind of boards for a while now and whilst we haven't always agreed on matters I'd suggest your views and queries have always been well thought out and worded. I completely get where you are coming from in terms of the season ticket vs admissions question.
There are however some on here who need a reality check. Boycotting a club will not hurt the owners... it hurts the club and the fans. Less ticket sales = less money spent on everything. That includes the so called Media Numpty, the squad, the coach and the administrative staffing.
There is no money tree available here. By staying away things only get worse. That is fact.
To those that are prepared to accept that and walk away, fair enough... that is your prerogative. But please don't suggest that by doing so you are sticking it to the owners and it will result in a massive turnaround because it won't.
Fingers crossed the coach is who we are lead to believe it is and we can get a few more bums on seats.
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| Quote: HamsterChops "There's a difference between saying something and actually acting on it though. Just telling the kid "Try and run the bloody spellchecker will you?" isn't the same as actually addressing the issue.
I've been very vocal on here previously that I don't believe a word either Gledhill or the T&A say. I'm going by actually respected journo reports. Like Ross Heppenstall in the Express, like Aaron Bower in League Express. Both saying discussions ongoing, but nothing finalised.
Maybe they have. So just come out and say so. If you make a promise and can't fulfil it because of someone else's issues, just make a small statement to explain that it's out of your hands and you're as frustrated as everyone else. Instead of just doing the usual Chalmers action of saying absolutely nothing and letting the fans get annoyed.
They're still examples of broken promises and lies. Which is what you were asking for. Months ago or not, that's the kind of thing when people start losing trust.
I've gotta be honest, I don't remember any previous Bulls early bird deadlines being extended. But I may well be wrong in that. Regardless though, it's still a case of giving a deadline and not sticking to it, even if the intentions are good ones.'"
I would fully accept that the club could do more to communicate with the fans should any issues arise (shirts being one) but there needs to be a point in time where the past is laid to rest and we try and work more positively moving forwards.
There are too many folk on here who were ready with the knives the minute the new owners were announced.
As I say in the post to Bullseye, Boycotting a club will not hurt the owners... it hurts the club and the fans.
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