No, you can't read in what you like. Taken as a whole, the quote is crystal clear.

And, whether he's frustrated also isn't the point - though with respect, reading that, he plainly is - it is the glaring truth of what he said. And if despite what he said he doesn't think we're " p!ssing away our chances of staying up" then there's something wrong with him, because we are.

And btw, I don't buy into the "props don't exist" any more than I bought into "scrum halves don't exist". We got one within 10 seconds of a coach with contacts and knowledge arriving. It isn't up to random nutters on message boards to say who's available either. That is very often a "behind the scenes" thing that only insiders such as agents and close contacts know.

I would agree that we're hampered by the visa thing, but that makes life more difficult, not impossible.

Really? So, let me have your alternative fact interpretation of this quote"We need to be better, we all know that, but they are young kids. That's it. We have got no 'middles' whatsoever.

"They are [sizeyoung kids battling against some experienced players and big, strong, tough forwards. We can't do it. That's a fact[/size."'"

How are we p!$$!ng away our chances? We're 3 wins off being safe with 19 games remaining.

I agree with that Anita, but the timing isn't open ended.

The 'kids' are being bashed about every week; the average (I know there are exceptions) 18, 19 or 20 year old forward isn't ready for constant, every week-end coming up against bigger, stronger, more experienced mature players. I'm speaking more for the pack members, though it applies, only marginally less, to other positions too. Some of these lads are good enough to eventually become top players but they need nurturing, encouraging and leading on, and not left fending for themselves, like they have been for the last couple of weeks. It's wrong on every level. Not only does it lead to possible disillusionment, the club owes a duty of care to these young people.

From Shaw Cross James hasn't played for Hunslet for some time.

Well, like against Halifax, for a start.

This isn't a debate and I don't have an agenda unless it is for the Bulls not to be relegated and not fold again. "Agenda"? How ridiculous. Have you been on the conspiracy sites or something?


But there are some who ridiculously think they can. As you see from other posts. Does that include the owners? I don't know. They don't say.


I don't have a "belief", I simply read one thing that Beattie was reported as having said, the import of which seems clear enough to me, but it isn't a matter of "belief". It worried me which is why I commented on it, but it is just one report in one newspaper. He might, just for instance, come out in the next few days and "clarify" what he meant. In the meantime I'm at liberty to comment on what he said, and I did.

As for "proof"? Are you mad? Come on then, how could anyone have "proof" of such a negative? Short of Bugging Beattie 24/7 for an extended period and listening for all conversations he may have with Cha-Low? Is that your suggestion?

I've got to say although I'm hardly a perennial optimist, I am disappointed about some of the panic stations reactions being expressed on these pages, especially as the next few weeks are going to get even tougher with little prospect of another 2 points for quite a while.
However, we only need to finish above Dewsbury and Swinton by the end of the season, remembering that the top 4 will have split off by then, in order to stay up.
Sure, we need some troops to return or get some new ones in.
Sure, we need Toovey's situation sorted.
Sure the announcement of Chisholm brings back memories of the Harris fiasco and was unhelpful.
Sure it would be nice to hear some reassuring words from Chalmers and Lowe.
BUT, now is the time to remain calm, weather the storm, and make sure we have the team ready to win the remaining "4 pointers" towards the end of the season when it really matters.
If we lose those, and go down, then yes I agree we're doomed - but for now let's remain behind the club and be grateful we still have a team to watch, however painful getting hammerings by the top 4 or 5 teams will be.

I am with FA on this.

The single quote of 'You'll have to ask the owners' may well have been intended to be throw away but the fact it came out at all does point to him being frustrated. Otherwise he'd surely have come out with a more diplomatic 'Cha-low are working on bolstering the side and obviously any opportunities will be assesed blah blah blah'

Also +2 isn't a realistic survival points total for me. I am not sure we need to panic just yet but seems there's a hint of complacency and hopefully getting dicked by Fev may just have shaken that?

We need more than 2 Points as it stands now, never mind other teams winning anymore games

Not sure where you'd getting +2 from.

We're on -2 now. The three wins the poster suggested would put us on +4 and (currently) 10th place. Which is what he clearly meant. I think he mistakenly worded it that this is all that was needed, when what he actually meant was 3 wins more than Swinton (as well as 2 more than Dews).

I think some have misinterpreted my post about being 6 points behind. I didn't mean once we caught up that's it job done. I meant in the next 19 games, we have to win 3 MORE games than Dewsbury & Swinton and we stay in this division. Considering we did that in the first 11 fixtures, it's very much game on. My point is lets not panic just because we've had a tough Easter against 2 good team.

I think it's more panic over not getting the likes of Murray back rather than the losing the two games. Short in the pack I didnt expect much out of easter, with a bit of luck we can get Murray back and once this weekend is out of the way maybe we can delve back to Leeds for Oledzki